World: r3wp

Looks like if you want a build, you have to supply Carl with the 
hardware

I am running 64bit. As with many Win7 users (not quite the majority 
yet).

problem with the 64 bit win is that many HW drivers where not ported 
to 64 bit and many don't work as-is.  (my friend can't use her 1500$ 
 sony HD camera, for example  :(

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/android-poised-to-be-no-2-smartphone-os-worldwide/37976?tag=nl.e589


Android jumps from 1.8% market share to 17% ahead of Apple.  Someone 
got a spare Android phone for Carl/?

isn't nokia also favoring android over symbian on some of its phones?

Well, Rebol lost the battle for mindshare on desktops and servers 
.. time to see if we can get somewhere on phones

if Android is Linux based, then it shouldn't be too hard to make 
R3 work on Android.

Graham, do you think phones are important enough to Carl to make 
the necessary effort and compromises?

I have an Android phone (or will once I get the data transfered from 
my old phone). It is not much effort for Carl to make a new r3lib 
build - it's not platform-specific code. Then people with phones 
can decide for themselves whether or not they are important.

Gregg, phones are the most ubiquitous computing platform known in 
this universe

Henrik, Android is Linux-based, but Android apps are Java-based. 
So it's a matter of making a host lib that is compatible with their 
native lib API.

And then figuring out what advantages REBOL can bring to the table.

I'm reading that Android doesn't actually use a JVM, but a Dalvik 
VM. Interesting.

Can Jpython and Jruby run on Android?

When last I heard, no. Not even Scala yet. But they are working on 
it.

Graham, I'm not denying that, but is that important to Carl?

See http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/07/28/Ruby-and-Python-on-Android
for a good high-level discussion of scripting language support on 
Android.

Two pieces of note: JRuby is working on Android, see  Ruboto. And 
SL4A provides an easy way to get started with Android support for 
non-Java-based scripting languages.

Gregg, with the host kit it doesn't have to be important to Carl. 
All he has to do is minimal. It just has to be important to someone 
else.

I'll buy Carl the hardware, if he'll make a port to Android.  iPhone, 
Blackberry, Windows Phone, too.

is iPhone even possible?

Jailbroken iPhones are possible

so you'll buy a broken phone for Carl?

If we could get REBOL into Cydia, It'd be worth it.

rebol memory requirements have always been huge .. what are these 
devices now capable of ?

Apple has recently relaxed the restrictions on interpreters, on a 
case-by-case basis. Most of REBOL would probably need to be excluded 
from iPhone builds (networking support, for instance). And it would 
be difficult to write cross-platform apps without them being rejected. 
But you could make a iPhone-specific version of R3, and it might 
be approved. Host kit apps only though, no scripts.

Nick, what do you invisage using rebol on an iphone for?

Here's an interesting subject: What value does R3 have as a library 
in another app with its own GUI and networking?

would you be able to run a web server on the phone?

Use all those spare cycles for seti ?

Likely not a web server, especially if it has any dynamic code.

Unless you are talking about phones other than the iPhone.

Brian, REBOL format.

(in answer to the "What value..." question)

?

to enable rebol programmers

Ah, the REBOL data model and the processing of its syntax. Yes, that 
would be a value.

Graham, I'd like to be able to use it for normal scripting - to run 
any of the 100 little scripts that manage data for me on my desktop 
PC, to connect with REBOL formatted data files and text files on 
my web sites, etc.

the Rebol *language* in another platform.   the language itself is 
REBOL's biggest feature.

I've often thought (and may even have suggested, though I'm normally 
so shy :-), that promoting REBOL as a data format would be a good 
thing.

Nick, that kind of thing would be prohibited on the iPhone, still. 
Sorry.

it would be very nice if we had a C library able to load rebol data 
into a simple C struct format.

Not in the Cydia Store.

My understanding is that at least 10% of iPhone users have Cydia 
installed.

Either way, I'd pay just to have it for my own user :)

my own use

Right. Well, I have friends with iPhones and we are starting the 
Stanford iPhone development coursees, so that would be interesting. 
You would have to figure out how to jailbreak the phone now that 
the security hole previously used is plugged.

I don't have developer skills to offer much help, but I'd offer a 
bounty if anyone's interested...

Why bother with iPhone ?

Android will make it irrelevant in the long term