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Gregg 3-Nov-2010 [6025x3] | ipv6-parser-ctx: context [ IPv6address: [ (=IPv6address: none) copy =IPv6address [ 6 [h16 ":"] ls32 ; 8 | "::" 5 [h16 ":"] ls32 ; 7 | opt [h16] "::" 4 [h16 ":"] ls32 ; 6-7 0-1::6 | opt [h16 0 1 [":" h16]] "::" 3 [h16 ":"] ls32 ; 5-7 0-2::5 | opt [h16 0 2 [":" h16]] "::" 2 [h16 ":"] ls32 ; 4-7 0-3::4 | opt [h16 0 3 [":" h16]] "::" h16 ":" ls32 ; 3-7 0-4::3 | opt [h16 0 4 [":" h16]] "::" ls32 ; 2-7 0-5::2 | opt [h16 0 5 [":" h16]] "::" h16 ; 1-7 0-6::1 | opt [h16 0 6 [":" h16]] "::" ; 0-7 0-7::0 ] ] h16: [ (=h16: none) copy =h16 mark: 1 4 HEXDIG ;(print ['h16 mold =h16 mold mark]) ] ls32: [ (=ls32: none) copy =ls32 [[h16 ":" h16] | IPv4address] ] IPv4address: [ (=IPv4address: none) copy =IPv4address [dec-octet "." dec-octet "." dec-octet "." dec-octet] ] charset-1: (charset [#"1" - #"9"]) charset-2: (charset [#"0" - #"4"]) charset-3: (charset [#"0" - #"5"]) dec-octet: [ copy =dec-octet [ "25" charset-3 ; 250-255 | "2" charset-2 DIGIT ; 200-249 | "1" 2 DIGIT ; 100-199 | charset-1 DIGIT ; 10-99 | DIGIT ; 0-9 ] ] DIGIT: charset "0123456789" HEXDIG: charset "0123456789ABCDEFabcdef" set 'parse-ipv6-address func [address [any-string!]] [ reduce [parse/all address IPv6address =IPv6address] ] ] |
It's a mechanical translation of the ABNF, with some rules reordered for PARSE. | |
Is it worth pursuing? If so, what should be next? | |
BrianH 3-Nov-2010 [6028] | Dealing with the formatted addresses is kind-of the last step. The first step in looking at the native TCP code and seing what needs to be done to support connecting over IPv6. There might be some native API changes required. |
AdrianS 3-Nov-2010 [6029] | Could this be used to get R3 running on the JVM? Seems too easy... http://www.axiomsol.com/ |
Maxim 3-Nov-2010 [6030] | that's interesting. |
Kaj 3-Nov-2010 [6031] | That must be pretty slow if you use it for a complete interpreter. And you would still need some REBOL level binding to use Java classes |
BrianH 3-Nov-2010 [6032x5] | I had given the topic some thought, with the Portable.NET C compiler. |
At this point, all attempts to *use* R3 have been inspiring the improvements of R3. We are better off not separating them for now. | |
And we have use groups for particular topics, like modules or networking. | |
We could probably make a !REBOL3 Proposals group, but expect a lot of overlap with the other R3 groups :) | |
Back to REBOL on Java, I expect that the REBOL on .NET bindings would be semantically similar. We would be better off if we tried to make them as similar as possible in low-level semantics, so more code will be portable between Android and WinPhone7, for instance. | |
Maxim 3-Nov-2010 [6037x2] | yeah there would be overlap.... but it would be the proper place to argue about new ideas, changes in the language, naming wars, etc, how *should* it work the other groups, IMHO, are meant for more "getting things done". how *does* this work?. |
wrt REBOL on JAVA... probably only the host-kit would be an issue. | |
Pekr 3-Nov-2010 [6039] | not sure REBOL on JAVA would be usefull nowadays. JAVA is dead :-) REBOL on JS would be interesting though :-) |
Kaj 3-Nov-2010 [6040] | And even slower |
BrianH 3-Nov-2010 [6041x2] | The host kit would be an advantage if we are going the native library route. All we would need is to create hosts that asct like Java-like or .NET-like native extensions. |
Java is not dead on Android (yet). I am very interested in REBOL for Java because of this. | |
Maxim 3-Nov-2010 [6043] | yep... I meant that it would be only thing which would really require changes to make it work... the rest is just bits and memory allocation, which is being run within the loaded app. |
Kaj 3-Nov-2010 [6044] | Never pronounce something dead, as it will live longer |
Pekr 3-Nov-2010 [6045] | Kaj: Amiga? :-) |
Kaj 3-Nov-2010 [6046x2] | Many things. REBOL, for example |
REBOL is much deader than Java, for example | |
BrianH 3-Nov-2010 [6048] | Trying to game the system, Kaj? :) |
Kaj 3-Nov-2010 [6049] | Just explaining the system... |
AdrianS 3-Nov-2010 [6050] | Petr, Java the language has lost a lot of its shine, though you'd be surprised how widespread it still is in lots of companies. The thing is that the JVM is still a great platform to target and there are languages like Clojure and Scala which compile to this VM and their rapidly rising popularity will keep the JVM around for a long time to come. Remember, by riding on the JVM you instantly cover a whole bunch of platforms at once. |
Maxim 3-Nov-2010 [6051x2] | yeah, in most ways, the JVM bytecode specification is outliving both JAVA and the JVM itelf. |
since the bytecode spec can be translated to other targets too. (androids own VM) | |
Pekr 3-Nov-2010 [6053] | I think I know how JAVA is positioned. IT is one of the main corporate platforms - JAVA vs .NET. 10 years I was in the JAVA world, now 4 years I am living in MS world :-) It is just apart from that, I know noone who would use it for his/her private project - too complex, unnecessary. But - as Max says - there's JAVA, and JVM, and the latter is more interesting for us. The question is, how can we integrate? Are we about to create some wrapper, which would allow us to utilise JAVA classes for e.g., or are we up to "porting" REBOL into JAVA entirely? |
GiuseppeC 3-Nov-2010 [6054x2] | Pekr, I think you are dreaming like I am. The idea is really nice. Having REBOL onto JVM or onto .NET using DLR would be really a dream. |
Also I don't know which complexity is behind this kind of porting. Nice to read something about this from the gurus. | |
nve 6-Nov-2010 [6056] | I think there are 2 ways : make a Jebol like Jython or make REBOL work on a JVM like Groovy or Scala. Jebol why not but I think there is no professionnal need behind. Because REBOL is very lightweight. But make REBOL work on JVM is very interesting because in that way REBOL could work on any device that has a JVM. For the futur of REBOL, make it work on Mobile Phone, Tablet PC and WebOS is really important ! |
Sunanda 9-Nov-2010 [6057] | Can a couple of people check this bug on non-Windows platforms, please? http://www.curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=1753 |
Andreas 9-Nov-2010 [6058] | Same problem on Linux: >> mold tangent 89.99999999999986 == "399405529304859.^O" |
BrianH 9-Nov-2010 [6059] | Looks like a MOLD problem, not a TANGENT problem. |
Andreas 9-Nov-2010 [6060] | >> type? tangent 89.99999999999986 == decimal! |
BrianH 9-Nov-2010 [6061] | Right. But it's only a problem when it is displayed or molded (regular display calls MOLD). |
Andreas 9-Nov-2010 [6062] | Yes, this was meant to illustrate that it's very likely some kind of MOLD issue. |
Sunanda 9-Nov-2010 [6063] | Without the MOLD I see: 399405529304859.î That decimal fraction part appears differently between alpha 110 and alpha 109...Not tested in older versions. 399405529304859.? ;; alpha 109 |
Oldes 9-Nov-2010 [6064] | >> mold tangent 89.99999999999986 == "399405529304859.$" |
GiuseppeC 9-Nov-2010 [6065x2] | I have a question. Somwhere, between Rebol Wiki and BLOG appeared an article about OBJECT creation and what is copied and what is shared. Do you remember the exact position ? |
Don't Mind. I have found the link: http://www.rebol.net/w/index.php?title=Copy_Semantics&redirect=no | |
Pekr 11-Nov-2010 [6067] | hmm, we are preparing for the beta - finally! Carl is working on the Projects/Roadmap site, the list is gone and we will get new one. I wonder if we will be able to influence that. My bet is that we will kind of rush for beta, so things like tasking will be postponed for 3.1 :-) |
GrahamC 11-Nov-2010 [6068] | where does it say this? |
Pekr 11-Nov-2010 [6069] | http://www.rebol.com/roadmap.html |
Robert 11-Nov-2010 [6070] | Expect the community to take over the things it can improve on its own. |
Pekr 11-Nov-2010 [6071] | Yes, I can fear that "excuses" already, as it happened in the past too :-) E.g. tasking being part of host, and hence delegating the responsibility to the community, while that thing is absolutly fundamental to being designed properly, not just hacked-in ... |
Robert 11-Nov-2010 [6072x2] | Excuses is the total wrong word and interpretation. We had this topic over-and-over again: A lot say "Rebol is bad because it's not open-source.", well I want to ask: "How many of you have contributed to the parts that you can work on now?" |
Taling is easy, doing is hard. | |
Pekr 11-Nov-2010 [6074] | And doing is different than designing imo, and that is my point - some things should still be under the supervision of RT, especially things that need to be designed very carefully and precisely. I have nothing against various experiments done by the community .... |
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