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Kaj
12-Jan-2011
[7030]
I think the point was to have programmer control over the copying 
of an object that is being cloned
Maxim
12-Jan-2011
[7031]
yes copy control was implemented because of real world issues trying 
to use early R3 alphas and also because the lack of control in R2 
makes many big data sets very hard to manage in R2.
BrianH
12-Jan-2011
[7032]
Ladislav, FACES? was created in accordance with the current documentation 
of the function naming standards, not the current function naming 
standards. The documentation needs fixing.
Ladislav
12-Jan-2011
[7033x2]
So, could you tell me what your preferences are?
(regarding the wording)
BrianH
12-Jan-2011
[7035]
If it's a function that takes a face or gob as a parameter and returns 
the faces inside of it, I prefer FACES-OF. If it is a member function 
(assigned to a field of a face and bound to it), FACES. Those look 
best to those familiar with English. We're trying to cut down on 
*? for functions that aren't questions or part of the help system.
Ladislav
12-Jan-2011
[7036x2]
I thought, you did not intend to change the wording of of 


http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/concepts/scripts-style.html#section-11

, did you?
Aha, that "if it is a member function" was what you meant. It is 
not, currently.
BrianH
12-Jan-2011
[7038x2]
If necessary, yes. The noun-OF convention should be added, and some 
sensible *? conventions should be mentioned too. In particular, the 
"is it a question?" criteria is a good thing to mention.
I don't have the time this week to do so, and am waiting on some 
more community understanding before I jump in. The "intrinsic property" 
thing likely won't survuve the cut, being replaced by the "implicit 
-of" thing.
Ladislav
12-Jan-2011
[7040]
But, the 

    Face/faces


was used before the change, and it was not a function, but a block 
"storing" the faces
BrianH
12-Jan-2011
[7041x2]
Then FACES-OF would be the best name for the function, letting 'faces 
be used for variables, and maybe letting FACES? mean "does it have 
faces?".
It definitely wasn't based on any C convention, definitely on English 
:)
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7043x2]
Where should be stored equivalent to R2's system/user/name and system/user/email 
?
Also do we have any standart way how to specify that a script requires 
R3 in script's header?
Kaj
13-Jan-2011
[7045x2]
There's no mail functionality yet
Graham's SMTP protocol doesn't seem to have a place for them, either
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7047x5]
I'm not looking for mail functionality, but where will be stored 
the user info.
Another question... if I want function which converts integer to 
one byte, is there better way than:
	copy back tail to binary! 60
maybe:
	to binary! to char! min 255 60
I should try if extension could speed up such a conversions.
Hm.. R3 version of conversion to 2 bytes is slower:/
R3:
>> tm 100000 [copy/part head reverse to binary! 300 2]
== 0:00:00.079
R2:

>> ui16-struct: make struct! [value [short]] none tm 100000 [ui16-struct/value: 
300 third ui16-struct]
== 0:00:00.047
Pekr
13-Jan-2011
[7052]
make a new native as an extension, link it as a command :-)
Cyphre
13-Jan-2011
[7053]
Kaj, Maxim, thanks for pointing out the document.
PeterWood
13-Jan-2011
[7054]
Does copy/part head reverse to binary! 300 2 give the correct answer?

>> to binary! 300                                      
 
==#{000000000000012C}


>>  copy/part head reverse to binary! 300 2           
  
== #{2C01}
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7055x2]
good... as an extension I have:
            const short int val = RXA_INT32(frm, 1); 
            REBSER *ser = RL_MAKE_STRING(1, FALSE);
            RL_SET_CHAR(ser, 0, val );
            RL_SET_CHAR(ser, 1, val >> 8);
            RXA_SERIES(frm, 1) = ser;
            RXA_TYPE(frm, 1) = RXT_BINARY;
            return RXR_VALUE;

>> tm 100000 [to-ui16 300]
== 0:00:00.016
Peter: yes.. but speed is important!
Cyphre
13-Jan-2011
[7057]
not sure how fast is this, but you can use vector for diffferent 
int conversions...like:

>> uint16: make vector! [unsigned integer! 16 1]
== make vector! [unsigned integer! 16 1 [
0
]]

>> uint16/1: 300 skip to-binary uint16/1 6
== #{012C}
Pekr
13-Jan-2011
[7058]
So the extension is fastest?
Cyphre
13-Jan-2011
[7059]
maybe to-binary on vector! could do the job best way but this is 
not implemented yet probably
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7060]
Command is the best solution for me... I just wonder if there is 
not a better way how to write it in C, like using pointers or something 
like that
Pekr
13-Jan-2011
[7061]
Cyphre - I think that vectore type is still not finished. There were 
also some blogs about conversions, but I don't remember the outcome 
....
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7062]
But for me today starts a new era... I'm really starting to use R3 
since now.
Cyphre
13-Jan-2011
[7063]
Pekr, yes...from http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0079.html:

Conversions from vectors to blocks and binaries will also be supported.

blk: to block! vect
bin: to binary! vect

Details to be defined.
Pekr
13-Jan-2011
[7064x2]
Oldes - that is cool to hear!
Could you tell us, what was the breaking point for you? Is it extension 
mechanism, which allows you to extend Core?
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7066]
yes.. it's the extensions posibility... I was doing some heavy math 
with images recently and I think it's time to move and start using 
R3.. at least for new scripts.. which also require to rewrite some 
old which I use often.
Henrik
13-Jan-2011
[7067x2]
did anyone download the protocols that Graham posted before his wiki 
went down?
(Carl is asking)
GrahamC
13-Jan-2011
[7069x2]
Sorry for cross posting this in different channels over the last 
year https://github.com/gchiu/Rebol3/tree/master/protocols
:)
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7071]
So Carl is alive? Good to know:)
Henrik
13-Jan-2011
[7072]
Deciding what to work on next
Kaj
13-Jan-2011
[7073]
Is he afraid of cURL? ;-)
Ladislav
13-Jan-2011
[7074]
Yes, sure, he is afraid of everything, that could distract him.
Kaj
13-Jan-2011
[7075]
Don't worry, you can leave the distractions to me :-)
Maxim
13-Jan-2011
[7076]
the only thing Carl fears is Megabytes  ;-)
Kaj
13-Jan-2011
[7077]
Give me some time and I'll get to that
Oldes
13-Jan-2011
[7078x2]
Checking the CC would be a good start.
Checking the CC would be a good start.