World: r3wp

expressing my opinion is all Carl eventually allowed us when it comes 
to direct interaction to rebol/core  all what isn't rebol/core deeply 
related was cut short by carl ...

now can we ask why and hope to have a frantic reply on that matter 
or  do we have to play happy face   forever ?

by the way banning me from here will just have as effect to had my 
name to the over long long list of people that don't express anything 
anymore for rebol ...

118 people camed here since 1th january, 67 people of them camed 
since 1st agust

this is what our community is in 2011 ...

I see the other language grow I see rebol shrink. Can I ask what 
you really plan to do to change this ?

Everyone agrees the situation is bad. That's no reason to make it 
worse by fighting over exactly how bad. Besides, it's old news. Several 
of us are moving on

rebol shrink  this is a fact too look how much brillant things were 
abandonned in those past 5 years sacrificed on the altar of progress 
to feed r3. But r3 is it really a progress ... I like some of the 
things in it ... as much as I could see them when Carl presented 
them  like the new trace function but sincerely I never used it ... 
and sincerely I never used r3 ... I don't even understand why the 
r2 console was abandonned ... and replaced by the cheapest possible 
less elegant solution ...

Kaj  I don't think I make things worst I thing most of the people 
here just don't give a damn ...  but if you are at a state were you 
refuse any discution to try to find a solution  to our current problem 
... Can we set RMA R3GUI to have as main goal to propose a concrete 
thing like for example "a rebol console based on their library in 
octobre"

?

can we show concretly that carl is wrong to be AWAY undefinatly from 
rebol ? Can rebol survive this  or will rebol community be tired 
and bring a community project that will continue what ever Carl do 
to bring the interest back to rebol?

If you keep placing demands on things you have no control over, you 
will keep being disappointed

Kaj it's been 10 years now I'm around rebol  and  last time this 
very people talked about creating a fork of rebol that could standalone 
as a relevent project with a true future it was  before Carl anouncing 
the r3 projet and already in that time  Carl was went missing without 
news to hear.

I know; what's your point?

so Carl came at that time with the r3 project motivate us around 
it gived us hopes and 5 years later we are in the worst situation 
... And we are back at the initial stage "carl is missing we need 
another solution to make rebol granted a futur independently of Carl"

my point is that I really fear all the actual project to be nothing 
more than oneshots that runs short and disapear after Carl brillant 
return to announce on his all mighty goodness he will reboot rebol 
and do r4 :)

I know, I was there. And we have that solution now

Kaj yeah but in that time we had some solutions too freebe and r# 
and you own project before boron  ...

You seem to think I did a clone project, but I never did

I mean spinoff existed yet and they runed short because of carl promesses 
can we say at least that this kind of thing is over and that what 
ever happend those actual spin off project will perdurate as real 
intent to break through and break free ?

you didn't do boron and the one before it ? I didn't said clones 
I said spinoff

You seem to be confusing me with Karl Robillard for quite some time

possible

The way I see it, it's fairly simple. We have no control over REBOL. 
The clones are open source, so we do have control over them. If they 
go nowhere, it must be because we're not interested in them, so we 
would only have ourselves to blame, which is much different from 
REBOL

those letters here are so small I can take a j for a l

There's also an extra R, and if you click on me, you can even see 
my surname

Kaj exactly ...  and that's already my case  I will not spend all 
my free time trying to bring up a langage that its author will abandone 
... basically that's why I stoped participating in rebol

That's logical, but open source is different

opensource was the case for the other rebol intent ... as far as 
I know they never succeed in creating a motion around them ... and 
some were really interesting

Yes, so we have ourselves to blame for that

yeah but we don't ...

But if you don't see motion around Red, even more is wrong with your 
eyes ;-)

we do as those never happend and we go on ... same discution over 
and over and over ... even the guy spam his love for jesus growed 
tired of it :)

Kaj I see motion around red  ... and red is really different from 
rebol ...

and I don't understand red ... well I didn't spent too much time 
on it and I don't want to hum be more of  a SoB that I am ... I can 
say I like 3 things in rebol code efficient and short, one small 
VM to do everything, the console to code interactively ... and I 
think this part was underestimated by carl in r3  ...

one of my dream is to have a programing code that allow you to live 
code and see the result of it ... something like the wysiwyg interface 
for the documents formated texts

it's hard to express ... but I really like the possibility to test 
live in the console bunch of codes before integrating in my code 
structures ...

I think over all the language I use or used rebol is the closest 
to this ...

ok so enough of me ranting for this month see you in september if 
I didn't totally forget about rebol til then ( I know you would all 
be over rejoiced by that eventuality :) )

I think rebol in some way could be more efficent with less [  ] ... 
I always found them to much present in my code and I think the python 
way to organise the functions with indentation is interresting not 
perfect but interresting ... not really suitable for the powerness 
of a line of code of rebol ...

hi

A bug?

>> a: [false]
== [false]

>> either a/1 [true][false]
== true

No, try this:

a: [#[false]]
either a/1 [true][false]

I solved it using 
either get a/1 [true][false]

Another way of ensuring that block contains what you think it contains:
   a: reduce [false]

this is typically a source of mistake ...  could be cool to take 
throw somewhere a note on this kind of misleading behavior

Yep, to see the reason:
>> a: [false]
== [false]
>> type? first a
== word!  <<-- it's a word not logic

>> a: reduce [false]
== [false]
>> type? first a
== logic!  << now it's ok

this mean the false isn the block isn't "interpreted" .. yeah the 
reduce need to convert it to what it is supposed to be  makes it 
clear ....

is it just for logic in a block or is it the same for anything ? 
like [1] or ["a"] or [1.2$]

>> type? a/1
== integer!

>> a: ["a"]  
== ["a"]

>> type? a/1 
== string!

>> a: [true] 
== [true]

>> type? a/1 
== word!