World: r3wp

What test code? Henrik and I both did some on R3-alpha, but Carl 
wanted a simple block format, and I don't know where any of that 
is.

I think that is in the r3-alpha world. I remember Carl writing some 
docs around it.

objects don't have a 'self field in R3

 - interesting, I always thought, that if I hide something, it does 
 not cease to exist...

'self is still there.

>> obj: context [a: does [probe self]]
== make object! [
    a: make function! [[][probe self]]
]

>> obj/a
make object! [
    a: make function! [[][probe self]]
]
== make object! [
    a: make function! [[][probe self]]
]

yes, Paul, that is what I mean

it's not exactly what Brian said though :)

the FIELD (as an exported property) doesn't exists anymore.

>> in context [] 'self 
== none

Or still private but not public anymore

Yeah, sorry, I was more exact in the comment of the ticket you wrote.

In any case, the code that you have been using to demonstrate your 
complaint (with the exception of Paul's above) is an example of what 
we are trying to avoid people doing. Don't use IN object 'self, it's 
a bad idea. Use BIND?.

So to discourage that behavior, 'self is hidden as-if with PROTECT/hide 
(effectively, not really), blocked from modification as-if with PROTECT 
(effectively, not really), not counted by LENGTH?, not unprotectable 
by UNPROTECT and only referenceable through BIND block! any-object!. 
It is unknown by anyone other than Carl whether the field actually 
exists in the object at all - I would guess that it does, because 
the alternative seems more complex and that's not his style. In any 
case, every reasonable effort has been made to discourage its use 
in any way except in code like Paul demonstrates above. R2's usage 
of the word was a security hole, and unnecessary once we got the 
BIND? function, both in R2 and R3.

>> context [self: "hello"]
** Script error: cannot set self - it is protected
** Where: make context
** Near: make object! blk

Was possible within R2

And was a security hole. And so is explicitly blocked.

Fortunately there is an alternative to the insecure code that was 
added to R2 later in its life: the BIND? function. It's in R3 as 
well.

The alternative was added later, not the insecurity.

where is query-string at now?  No more system/options/cgi?

Last night, I dreamed that Carl announced in his R3 Blog that A98 
was released. The first thing I did in the morning was to make sure 
it's real. It's not. ... I need to see a shrink, seriously.

I am mentally damaged.

never mind the query-string thing.  I think I got it figured out. 
 Althought RT needs to document this under the R3 wiki section.

Jerry ... we all wish for things to proceed faster. However, we have 
to wait a bit. Hopefully Carl is doing wildly in the HostKit/Extension 
area, so that guys can proceed with other areas, as GUI for example 
...

thought he was working on redoing the r3 docs ...

There's a real paucity of news at present.

The only news is recent Twitter post: "AltME.com website, DNS, WNS, 
and various other changes quite disruptive today, but should settle 
down soon."

nothing regarding R3 development

I know ...

2 years ago, in times like this I were really upset: "were are we 
going ?", "when will it be usable ?", "I need it !" ...

Now follow the various REBOL channels with curiosity. I expect nothing. 
When it will be ready I'll be happy and start using it.

(* I follow)

Expect nothing and that's what you'll get

The truth is, that I was claiming to guys here, that we are at 80% 
of the dev stage, one or more years ago. But we are still there. 
Unless HostKit is released and contains stuff devs need, we can't 
move much forward. I hope we are close to that stage. It is just, 
that we are close to it for several months already :-)

Everyone ( well, perhaps not Henrik ), is on hold ... just waiting.

But there is still lots of work to do for Core too. E.g. tasking, 
or other stuff listed in priority doc.

Graham... things go this way on REBOL. We have to wait...

I am encountering a crash, dunno if easily traceable. I start R3, 
type-in "chat". Then I quit the chat by "q", then I type "demo" .... 
and R3 crashes ...

I'm not on hold. I'm just using only R2 regulary.

Pekr, the procedure you describe works for me on Rebol3 version 2.100.97.3.1. 
My %rebol.r in the same directory is virtually empty.

Pekr, same happens to me

Why would chat kill the demo ... unless http is modified or something?

Oldes, this is the R3 group ... so on hold means on hold with R3 
!

Pekr, putting a trace before demo and it doesn't crash.  Very odd.

of course I can't do much with the trace running ...

Still tracing ... seems to be doing a lot with nothing happening. 
 I would have thought the whole GUI would be in a wait

I've been misleading, what I wanted to say was: I do not get the 
error Petr describes, the demo comes up.

Still tracing .. what on earth is it doing??

It's working here on XP

So, the demo comes up okay for you after exiting chat?

I tried the chat then demo trick under linux and Rebol crashed with 
a segmentation fault. Normally, the demo gives a script error. I 
also tried on Mac OS X but that was okay - the demo gave a script 
error.

This should be reported in CureCode.

I was wondering why some messages don't show up on chat.  Eg. #6993

when I do a 'n, but show when I type the number in...