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BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[640x2]
Does it work between different gobs? Note: It would only work with 
gobs that have subgobs, in theory.
If it doesn't, this needs a ticket. There are other similar gob bugs 
(CHANGE comes to mind).
Rebolek
9-Dec-2010
[642]
Does it work between different gobs?

 - no, it doesn't work between two gobs and it doesn't work for one 
 gob (with sub gobs).
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[643]
Then we need a ticket for that. I would think that there would be 
some GUI reasons for doing SWAP, though more for doing MOVE.
Steeve
9-Dec-2010
[644]
Well it' s a bad example, because
>> swap g next g
is easly performed with:
>> insert g g/2
:-)
Ladislav
9-Dec-2010
[645]
??

>> g: [a b]
== [a b]
>> insert g g/2
== [a b]
>> g
== [b a b]
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[646]
I just checked, and all of the functions called by MOVE are compatible 
with gobs. If they behave in a similar way then we can add gob support 
to MOVE.
Steeve
9-Dec-2010
[647]
working with gobs only
Ladislav
9-Dec-2010
[648]
working with gobs only
 - isn't it a bug, then?
Steeve
9-Dec-2010
[649x4]
No it's a feature
A Gob can only have one parent at a time.
when you insert a gob already connected somewhere, it's automacly 
removed from the old place
Great feature
Rebolek
9-Dec-2010
[653x3]
hmmm
Yes, I agree
Hm, I see that gob! now supports CHANGE and POKE, good news.
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[656]
CHANGE doesn't work: http://curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=1789
Rebolek
9-Dec-2010
[657]
You're right. I remember it was throwing error, so I thought it's 
ok now with my quick test.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[658]
What's the technical explanation for this question/answer ?  http://synapse-ehr.com/forums/showthread.php?151-Help-with-Script-error-Cannot-use-path-on-none!

Is it the way Rebol evaluates as it builds functions?
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[659x2]
It looks like the code disconnects from the database and then tries 
to save to it without reconnecting. Beyond that I can't tell without 
knowing at which stage of the code the error is triggered.
But it looks like the error is triggered before the SQL call, so 
it looks like either the db or counter variables are none.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[661x3]
to me it looks like the code is breaking when first executed
so, it creates an empty db, so db/1 will be an empty block
My question is .. what does rebol do when it builds a function from 
the function definition
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[664]
There is nothing special there related to the function definition. 
The 'db and 'counter vars are global. It looks like the initial
    db: SQL "select * from customer" 
call is failing, and 'db is set to none. Test for that.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[665]
If that were the case, the 'layout would fail ...
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[666]
When are the paths in the layout evaluated? The only part I don't 
know is the View part.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[667]
Immediately
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[668x2]
In that error there are only 3 path roots that could be none: db, 
db/:counter and FN. If the db is empty then db/:counter would be 
invalid even in the layout. That leaves FN.
This seems like a job for PROBE.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[670x2]
If ''layout completes, then FN will be a VID field object
so this suggests to me that db = [ ]
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[672]
If there are no rows returned then that makes sense. Looks like the 
database access needs some work. And even if the path succeeded, 
the SQL at the end of btn-save would fail because the database is 
disconnected. Plus, the create statement at the beginning just creates 
a database, not a table.
GrahamC
9-Dec-2010
[673]
I didn't look at the rest of the code .. I'm just interested in the 
tech explanation as to why the function errors out like that
BrianH
9-Dec-2010
[674]
The error message itself refers to some fairly limited code. A couple 
probe statements would narrow things down even further.
Steeve
10-Dec-2010
[675]
Anyone know which algo is used by the SORT function ?
BrianH
10-Dec-2010
[676]
Not a stable one (there's a ticket about that). It could be guessed 
by using a logging compare function.
Steeve
10-Dec-2010
[677]
So, did you guess it ?
Dockimbel
10-Dec-2010
[678]
I would bet on a quick sort.
Steeve
10-Dec-2010
[679x2]
If it uses several algos it will be difficult
Quick sort is not optimal for cases where the comparison cost is 
expensive.
And with Rebol comparisons have high cost
BrianH
10-Dec-2010
[681]
>> print mold collect [sort/compare [20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1] func [x y] [keep/only reduce [x y] x < y]]

[[10 20] [1 10] [10 20] [10 19] [10 2] [10 18] [10 3] [10 17] [10 
4] [10 16] [10 5] [10 15] [10 6] [10 14] [10 7] [10 13] [10 8] [10 
12] [10 9] [10 11] [10 11] [10 9] [5 1] [9 1] [9 5] [5 2] [5 3] [5 
4] [5 6] [5 8] [5 7] [5 6] [5 4] [6 7] [7 8] [8 9] [6 7] [7 8] [6 
7] [1 2] [2 3] [3 4] [1 2] [2 3] [1 2] [16 11] [20 11] [20 16] [16 
12] [16 13] [16 14] [16 15] [16 17] [16 19] [16 18] [16 17] [16 15] 
[17 18] [18 19] [19 20] [17 18] [18 19] [17 18] [11 12] [12 13] [13 
14] [14 15] [11 12] [12 13] [13 14] [11 12] [12 13] [11 12]]
Steeve
10-Dec-2010
[682x3]
ok it's quick sort
far from behing the best one in our context as I said. Too much comparisons
*from beeing
BrianH
10-Dec-2010
[685x3]
Darn. Quicksort is still slow for mostly sorted stuff:
>> print mold collect [sort/compare [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10] func [x 
y] [keep/only reduce [x y] x < y]]

[[6 1] [10 1] [10 6] [6 2] [6 3] [6 4] [6 5] [6 7] [6 9] [6 8] [6 
7] [6 5] [7 8] [8 9] [9 10] [7 8] [8 9] [7 8] [1 2] [2 3] [3 4] [4 
5] [1 2] [2 3] [3 4] [1 2] [2 3] [1 2]]
See also this: http://curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=1152
Steeve
10-Dec-2010
[688]
Merge sort seems to give the best results when the comparison functions 
are expensive.
http://warp.povusers.org/SortComparison
BrianH
10-Dec-2010
[689]
Good idea, as long as the sort is stable.