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Andreas
19-May-2011
[1459x2]
null-ptr: pointer [integer!]
null-ptr/value: 0

should probably work as well
but `as pointer! [integer!] 0` is fine, if it works. the spec needs 
a fix so that the examples match the syntax spec, though.
Kaj
19-May-2011
[1461]
Wouldn't that set the pointed to integer?
Andreas
19-May-2011
[1462]
indeed, sorry for the confusion
Kaj
19-May-2011
[1463x2]
Are imports type checked yet?
I can't get past the null comparisons, but I've checked my other 
fixes in to Fossil
Dockimbel
20-May-2011
[1465x2]
Are imports type checked yet?
 Yes (but untested yet).
Thanks for all your feedback, it is really helpful. I will review 
every issue you've raised today.
Kaj
20-May-2011
[1467]
Thanks. The 0MQ binding is a nice test case
Dockimbel
20-May-2011
[1468x7]
I was a bit confused yesterday about ALIAS usage, due to this ticket: 
https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/issues/39.I jumped on fixing it 
too fast without first checking the specification, so I mistakenly 
extended ALIAS beyond its original purpose (which is just for aliasing 
struct! declarations, as described in section 4.5.5 of the specification).
I just pushed a new commit that reverts back some of the changes 
I did for aliased types yesterday, and fixes the compiler errors 
reported by Kaj.
I have uploaded a patched version of the 0MQ binding here: http://static.red-lang.org/tmp/red-0mq-fixes.zip
Among the changes, 'null is now a global variable defined as a null 
pointer.
So, #define is the way to go to rename existing types and ALIAS is 
reserved for struct! only (it allows to circular references that 
couldn't be done using macros).
Kaj: "If Red/System truely is to be strongly typed, there needs to 
be more than just pointer! [integer!]. The issue I'm currently having 
is exactly that there is no matching declaration for what I need" 
Could you tell me what is your need precisely?
it allows to circular references
 => it allows circular references
Kaj
20-May-2011
[1475]
I need a pointer to a struct of which only 0MQ knows the structure. 
So any pointer will do, unless you want to make Red/System strongly 
typed
shadwolf
20-May-2011
[1476x4]
dockIbel one cool thing thqt could help promoting RED would be to 
do a openSUZE minimal distro using their tool that gives a linux 
ready to use out of the box with all needed to code or enhance red
I know it zas made for Illumination software creator and was a good 
enightenment for it
plus ISC opensuze distro was custom distro of the year which spread 
even more the word
could be a good way in a middle term to have tools + OS etc in a 
single CD
Kaj
21-May-2011
[1480]
No need, it already exists
Dockimbel
21-May-2011
[1481x2]
You're right, I should add a mention about it on red-lang.org.
Kaj: I pushed a few fixes and changes on ALIAS support, it now behaves 
strictly as described in the specification. For the 0MQ binding, 
you need to replace [struct! message!] occurences with [message!] 
to make it compilable with the new version.
Kaj
21-May-2011
[1483]
Including your previous changes, I figure?
Dockimbel
21-May-2011
[1484]
Yes.
Kaj
21-May-2011
[1485x2]
Processed your changes, and indeed it builds again
Have a new batch of issues, but will research more first
Kaj
22-May-2011
[1487x7]
In the spec in 4.5.5, shouldn't the child structs gift/first and 
gift/second be created individually (and assigned to the struct pointers 
in gift) before their members can be assigned?
At the end of the last example in 4.6.2, shouldn't
a/count: p/count
be
a/count: p/value
?
It would also be good to make it clear that the integer! pointed 
to by p needs to be separately allocated (presumably by foobar and 
GetPointer)
Dockimbel
23-May-2011
[1494x2]
4.5.5: yes, you're right, the example is missing gift/first and gift/second 
proper initialization.
4.6.2: right too, it is a typo.
Kaj
23-May-2011
[1496x5]
At the end of 4.6.5,
;-- writes 123 (4 bytes) at 40000008h
should be
;-- writes 123 (4 bytes) at 40000004h
(I hope)
Dockimbel
23-May-2011
[1501]
Yes, it's 40000004h as the index is one-based.
Kaj
23-May-2011
[1502]
By the way, what minimum CPU is your emitter targeting?
Dockimbel
23-May-2011
[1503x3]
You mean the current IA32 implementation or more generally?
Red/System requires at least a 32-bit CPU.
The current IA32 implementation should work on a 386 I guess (but 
would need to check for some of the addressing mode used, they might 
not be all available on the 386). A safe minimum CPU should be the 
Pentium.
Kaj
23-May-2011
[1506x3]
OK. So maybe it would conflict with the minimum 486 target of Syllable 
Server. Syllable Desktop targets 586
Not that I'm testing Server on 486, and the utility is dubious. But 
Red will be suitable for embedded systems, so there may be a good 
niche in 486 systems-on-a-chip
Wouldn't it be good to be able to write pointer! [ ] instead of pointer! 
[integer!] for a void pointer? I cringe a bit every time I see it. 
(Spoiled by REBOL, I guess)