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Andreas
17-Jun-2011
[2033]
:)
jocko
17-Jun-2011
[2034]
I agree, should use fgets
Kaj
17-Jun-2011
[2035x5]
Since this is open source, I was thinking to let the community do 
the testing. Thanks for the report :-)
I was afraid the gets type functions are implemented as macros, so 
that may well be the problem. The thing is that I can't fix it by 
using the fgets type functions, because Red can't import the standard 
file descriptors such as stdin yet
We talked that over with Nenad and it's planned
input-next may have the same problem, but did you try it?
Strings are terminated properly with gets/input-line but you must 
allocate an unknown storage size, which is warned for in the source 
of the binding
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2040x3]
The binaries Red generates with a binding are now ten times as big 
as a few weeks ago, because it now generates code for #import definitions. 
Is that correct?
When I have a struct! as a local variable, is only the pointer to 
the struct reserved on the stack, not the struct itself?
When I make a STRUCT for a local variable within a function, is it 
created on the heap, so that I need to free it?
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2043x5]
Bigger binaries: yes, it is caused by #import bindings and by runtime 
message strings.
Local struct variable: that is correct, only the pointer is stored 
in the stack frame.
STRUCT is used to declare literal structures. As all literals, it 
is stored in the data segment of the executable image, you don't 
need to free it as it is not allocated with a malloc() call.
Kaj: have you found the "struct [...]" construction somehow misleading?


I am asking this because there is a discussion about that on the 
mailing-list and I need to decide this weekend if I keep pointer/struct 
literal declarations as-is or change it.
Any feedback on this topic (and other opened questions on the ML 
and issue tracker) will be appreciated.
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2048x8]
I've been thinking about it, but the reason it is misleading is basically 
that it's defined at the C level. You have to flip flop your mind 
between low level C thinking and high level REBOL thinking
I suppose this is inherent in the concept of Red/System, and I think 
it's mainly a matter of learning the new language
However, my own preference is to make concepts higher level if it 
doesn't compromise performance
It now dawns on me that I mixed up STRUCT and ALLOCATE. I hit these 
issues last night and went to bad because I was tired and pretty 
sure that I would be able to see it more clearly today, but I had 
already formulated the questions in my head :-)
to bed
The fact that I needed to allocate a local struct was pointed out 
to me by the new initialisation checks in Red, so that's pretty good
It would be nice to be able to use SIZE? on a datatype, instead of 
an actually existing data value:
size? integer!
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2056x2]
That might only be useful with integer! as it should be extended 
to 64-bit when Red/System will be ported to 64-bit platforms. But 
I think that a specific macro would be more appropriate (something 
like integer-size?).
or rather: get-integer-size
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2058]
No, I simplified the example. I actually wanted to get sizes of structs 
without allocating one
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2059]
Try with an alias (untested).
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2060]
Doesn't it get the size of the pointer then?
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2061x4]
Let me try...
SIZE? doesn't seem to recognize the alias.
An alias is an abstract definition, it doesn't allocated anything. 
So we can decide that the size of an alias is the whole struct size.
allocated => allocate
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2065x7]
Yes, that's what I would like
In the runtime, there's now a new generic pointer type defined:
#define byte-ptr!	c-string!
However, it's type incompatible with the previous definition, which 
NULL still uses:
null: 		pointer [integer!]				;-- null pointer declaration
The documentation specifies a third definition, namely integer!
This comes back to the lack of a void pointer type again
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2072]
There is a ticket about null: https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/issues/96
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2073x2]
Failing that, I think these definitions should use the same type
The new ALLOCATE and FREE use c-string! which makes using them on 
generic byte arrays, and comparisons with NULL, confusing
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2075]
NULL will be adapted to cop with that (either using polymorphism 
or by replacing it by a NULL? macro).
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2076x2]
I find ALLOCATE and FREE using c-string! unintuitive
Other types need to be cast to use these functions
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2078]
Same as malloc() with C void pointers.
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2079]
Still, why do we have now have three different definitions of a generic 
pointer?
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2080]
There is no such thing as a generic pointer in Red/System.
Kaj
18-Jun-2011
[2081]
I know, but I #define it as handle! like we talked about before, 
but there's now no way to define handle! in such a way that it works 
everywhere
Dockimbel
18-Jun-2011
[2082]
Have you tried with defining it as integer!?