World: r3wp

not a tech question about red .. but what is a code bubble?

I wrote a Syllable build recipe for Red:

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/

Graham: http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm

There's not very much you can do with Red on Syllable yet, and the 
integration is awkward, but it's a start

Ahh.. .this is similar to the stickynotes add in for Leo, the literate 
code editor I use

Code bubbles have almost nothing to do with literate programming. 
For one thing, you can't add inlime docs beyond the comments in the 
language syntax. This is more like a more graphical version of the 
Smalltalk browser.

Sorry, it does allow out-of-band notes and bug reports to appear 
in the same interface, just not literate mixed code and docs.

The original Java case benefits more from the concept than REBOL 
would because there are many addon standards like JavaDoc that need 
managing, but at least have been agreed upon by their community. 
We don't have that kind of agreement in the REBOL community. Also, 
the structure of the Java language is very limited, so it's a bit 
easier to parse it and have its structure just be in the background 
even though the language wasn't designed for that like Smalltalk 
was for its browser. For Red, since it's so early, things like integrated 
documentation can be developed along with the language, so something 
like this would make more sense. However, if Red is going to have 
even a large fraction of the power of REBOL then it won't be as structured 
as Java, making it a little more difficult to retrofit a Code Bubbles 
interface onto existing code. This is why you would need an IDE to 
understand code written in this kind of IDE: A Code Bubbles style 
interface doesn't generate code with story structure the way scripts 
are structured, so you can't just read the code without the context 
of the IDE.

I compiled the Hello World example on the graphical version of Syllable 
Server, and then ran it with WINE

Kaj: I'll have a look at ELF format this weekend, to see if it is 
possible to add it quickly on sunday.

It it requires more than a day of work, I'll postpone it for the 
end of this month.

It => If

Graham: I've posted a short reply to your code bubbles question here: 
http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/browse_thread/thread/8ecea42063ee4e14/6f7364ebadc7291d?hl=en#6f7364ebadc7291d

ELF would be excellent :-)

I replied to that as well, but the word wrap corrupted my post a 
little. Whoops.

Can't find any settings in Google Group allowing to change the default 
threshold for word wrapping...I find it too low when reading messages 
from the web.

I didn't realize that the word wrapping was something it did; I thought 
it was something *you* did in that message. So I put in my own line 
endings, which ended up in the wrong place because they word wrap 
at fixed indexes as if they weren't rendering with a proportional 
font. If they are word wrapping that way, they should use an editor 
with a fixed-length font and a margin line.

What they are doing is using the Usenet message format in Google 
Groups, and that means ~78 character lines iirc. That format was 
designed for composing messages in terminals (like in R3 chat) or 
in special editors that use fonts like Courier when composing messages. 
It's surprising that they didn't relax the format a little for groups 
that aren't mirrored on the real Usenet, but when you "Show original" 
(in the "More options" section) the message is formatted for Usenet 
and email.

Brian, Google Groups still is a mailing-list tfrontend, so those 
messages actually go out via email.

(Somewhere this sentence misses an "also" ... :)

Question: I created my fork.

And now I created a branch on my computer, but where am I supposed 
to work exactly ? 

I mean, I only see the source files in a sub dir called /red-system

Your question should be posted in "Source Control" channel.

Maybe you should have look at a Git documentation first?

ah, I looked

Trying to push my first modifications currently...

Doc, do you see something ? 
I pulled a request.

yep, here it is:
https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/pull/1

why did you comment out the original code, instead of just deleting 
it?

(refering to: https://github.com/SteeveGit/Red/commit/d5f6c9f)

i'd suggest to keep the TBD comments and delete the rest

You mean, you don't want to see the old code as comments ?

Exactly.

Steeve: yes, got it, looks good to me. I'll pull it in a few minutes. 
Andreas is right, you don't need to comment the old code, just delete 
it (but keep the TBD comments).

Your pull request disappeared, I guess you'll publish a new one.

In one minute...

sorry...

Oh, my bad, looking in the wrong repo...still need to adjust to the 
DCVS approach.

The pull requests will appear in your repo (dockimbel/Red).

Steeve's commits of course go to Steeve's repo :)

Sure, it's clear to me now. :-)

I repulled a request.

Ok, merging it to my Red repo...

But, instead of seeing 2 commitments , I should have deleted the 
first one.
Don't know how to do that though....

Done

Steeve: have you tested the changes locally by compiling the hello 
script?

The power-of-2? function is not retro-compatible with the previous 
version.

eh ?

Let me test that more closely...

I've not tested with the compiler but the function itself