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[Red] Red language group

Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2274x2]
I've converted the library functions to pass opaque binary messages 
(byte-ptr!) now, as do the R3 and R2 bindings
The examples are now responsible for converting from and to strings 
(so the Red examples are not compatible with the current R3 and R2 
examples)
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2276x2]
I am installing FreeBSD8.2 on Vmware to test Red...Wow, it is like 
trying to install Linux in 1996...I am really surprized, I wasn't 
expecting an Ubuntu-like installer, but at least a decent package 
manager...Here's my attempt at installing git:

# pkg_add -r git
Fetching ...
...
# git
git: Command not found.

Great!
Btw, network configuration is not done by default, you need to activate 
it manually....seriously, in 2011?
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2278x3]
FreeBSD's main principle is to never update the installer ;-)
You'd probably be much better off with PC-BSD or Desktop-BSD
http://www.pcbsd.org
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2281x3]
Thanks, didn't know about those BSD variants.
I managed to get git running. Let see if I can get Red sources.
Hmm, I guess there is no chance to make REBOL/View run on FreeBSD 
without X...
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2284]
Nope. I guess you have a console system now?
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2285]
Yes.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2286]
Installing X and everything on top manually is a cherished exercise 
on the way to enlightenment :-)
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2287]
I did such installation several times, manually configuring everything, 
last time was in 1997. An OS requiring me to do that in 2011 is a 
joke.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2288x2]
I remember leaving Red Hat and Gentoo installations at the console 
level in hopes of sparing my hair...
You do realise you've downloaded a server OS? The real joke is REBOL/Core
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2290]
Sure, we used to have FreeBSD serveurs at Softinnov in the beginning 
(2002), then we switched to Debian and latter Ubuntu.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2291]
It's still a favourite bragging exercise in very popular Linux distributions
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2292]
I should blame myself first to not have paid more attention in the 
beginning to avoid making Red/System's compiler dependent on REBOL/View 
features.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2293]
Yeah, isn't struct avoidable?
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2294]
Sure it is, it just requires to code custom serialization routines 
instead.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2295x2]
I'd be very pleased with that; nudge, nudge :-)
Would make Red run on Syllable Server
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2297]
Also, people installing View on Linux to try Red might encounter 
issues related to View installation.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2298x2]
I'm using it on the graphical version now, that we can't release 
because the integration with BogoLinux X packages is too brittle
Yep
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2300]
I might have already lost a few potential users just because of that.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2301]
They told you?
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2302]
One told me that IIRC, he didn't want to accept the licensing terms 
that the View installer was asking him to accept.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2303x2]
I can't sell web sites because my site builder is running in REBOL, 
which people can't get installed
Yeah, we've had one paranoid tell us he wouldn't install AltME because 
it's a binary :-/
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2305x2]
:-)
He must be running FreeBSD ;-)
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2307]
No, he once built his own security optimised Debian distro
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2308]
Did I meet him at ReBorCon2011?
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2309x2]
You sat across the table from him :-)
In the restaurant
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2311]
I guessed so. ;-)
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2312]
We also found him in the 0MQ contributors list :-)
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2313x2]
hehe :-)
PCBSD: the installer is not able to activate the network card, tried 
both DHCP and manual configuration...
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2315x2]
That's disappointing; I would have expected it to be better
But that happens with operating systems once you try them...
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2317]
The DHCP option worked fine with FreeBSD.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2318x2]
Sounds very Linux: you need DHCP and X, and you have one distro that 
does DHCP, and another that does X :-/
It's the universe's way to tell you you won't win in this life...
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2320]
I spent 1h trying to make them work, I should have spent that time 
on getting rid of /View instead. ;-)
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2321]
I once decided to spend the time I needed to waste configuring Windows 
and Linux to make my own operating systems :-)
Dockimbel
21-Jun-2011
[2322]
I wonder if I could not provide my own custom REBOL interpreter instead 
using the SDK.
Kaj
21-Jun-2011
[2323]
:-)