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Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2488]
Here a code example of how you could solve that:
	msg: receive ....
  	if zmq-error? [...process error...]


zmq-error? could just check a flag set by last zmq low-level calls.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2489]
Such constructs would make the binding a lot more high level and 
would require a lot more code. I'm trying to keep complexity down 
for simplicity and performance
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2490x2]
calls => call
The added code won't make any significant overhead in performances 
for a network communication library, the slow parts are the network 
exchanges.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2492x2]
What bothers me most is the added complexity that doesn't really 
solve the problem. Error handling is often something that needs to 
be done locally, because that's where the knowledge is to handle 
the problem most gracefully
We don't have goto and longjumps, either, so there's little leeway 
for implementing a transparent error trapping framework
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2494x2]
Btw, your code snippet could be rewritten as:

message: receive socket 0
unless all [
	as-logic message
	end-message message
	;wait 1
	send socket  as [byte-ptr!] reply  1 + length? text  0
][

 prin "Received request: "  print as-c-string message-data message
	print zmq-form-error system-error
]
Huh, I guess I have been too aggressive with the prin "..." line 
:)
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2496]
If you want the function to return a logic! status and a result to 
be able to handle it locally, the result needs to fetched through 
a pointer, which also raises complexity. We can't handle addresses 
very well yet, either, because get-words only work for native functions
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2497x2]
My point was: don't return a logic! statut from functions like RECEIVE, 
rather set a flag and check it after RECEIVE call.
statut => status
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2499x2]
RECEIVE doesn't return logic?
That rewrite doesn't work. It mixes up successful and unsuccessful 
receiving
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2501]
Yeah right, I was confused by your will to return a logic!.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2502x5]
I'm flexible. :-) Not everything returns logic, only the cases that 
can
I'll just rewrite it in EITHERs for now. I'm just noting that it 
can be made very nicely REBOL like to distinguish Red/System from 
C
By the way, 0MQ is not a network communication library per se. It 
can do messaging equally well between processes and even threads, 
so wrapper performance is significant
x: does []
either true [x] [x]
*** Compiler Internal Error: Script Error : equal-types? expected 
type1 argument of type: word
*** Where: comp-either 
*** Near:  [last-type: either equal-types? t-true t-false]
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2507]
Regression from a recent change, you should get a compilation error 
saying that x is missing a return value.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2508x2]
In this case, I don't need EITHER to return a value
The crash is on the EITHER not on the DOES
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2510x2]
Ok, so sounds like a check that shouldn't happen in such case.
Could you post this error (and future others) to github's tracker 
please? It is easier for me to manage them there.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2512]
I won't like loosing the comfort of AltME, but I'll try
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2513]
Thanks.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2514]
I've put it in there, but I won't be able to follow the discussion 
much
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2515x2]
It is more a matter of tracking than discussing.
It is also easier for others to follow current issues publicly.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2517]
I understand; it's just a rotten situation that the communication 
isn't integrated
Dockimbel
23-Jun-2011
[2518]
We have #red-lang on Freenode for that. ;-)
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2519]
I don't do IRC, either. It's not integrated, just more fragmentation
PeterWood
23-Jun-2011
[2520]
What is AltME integrated with?
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2521x2]
The REBOL community?
Boron is using all the right open source buzz words, except AltME, 
and look what traction it got
PeterWood
23-Jun-2011
[2523]
I'm not sure that you can associate Boron's lack of popularity with 
the fact that Karl does not use AltME.
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2524]
Maybe, but I can associate my misgivings with communication systems 
that make you jump through hoops
PeterWood
23-Jun-2011
[2525]
Do you mean the Boron mailing list?
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2526x5]
Mailing lists are among the worst, yes
Ah, the unintegratedness begins. When I type >> in GitHub to denote 
a REBOL result prompt, it interprets it as indent markup
If you had told me twenty years ago that I would be writing prose 
such as "Local logic! in prin-int leaks as global function!", I would 
have seen it as a sure sign of dementia
I implemented error checking in the 0MQ examples. It has revealed 
three bugs in Red
It has exploded the code, though. It's quite ugly and inefficient
Gregg
23-Jun-2011
[2531]
Keep up the good work Kaj!
Kaj
23-Jun-2011
[2532]
Thanks, I intend to
GrahamC
24-Jun-2011
[2533]
Karl has failed to engage with the Rebol community as far as I can 
see.
Dockimbel
24-Jun-2011
[2534]
Kaj: thanks for the reports. I was aware of NOT issue and already 
encountered the local name clash, but never got the time to isolate 
it. Fixing them now, before going beta, is a good timing.
Pekr
24-Jun-2011
[2535]
So we are going beta soon? :-)
Dockimbel
24-Jun-2011
[2536x2]
Red/System will go beta as soon as I:
- fix the remaining bugs from the tracker,

- decide on 2 last syntax issues discussed on the ML (concerning 
struct/pointer literal syntax and aliases)
- make a pass on the specification to fix/update/complete it.
It could happen today, but I will be probably too busy with other 
non-Red tasks.