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GrahamC 26-Dec-2011 [4064] | ahh... your own dialect ! |
Dockimbel 26-Dec-2011 [4065] | BTW, can acronyms in english take an ending "s"? Is that allowed? |
GrahamC 26-Dec-2011 [4066] | okay,make it OSS :) |
Dockimbel 26-Dec-2011 [4067] | hehe :) |
GrahamC 26-Dec-2011 [4068] | http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic25371.html And then in Microsoft Manual of Style (version 3.0) we can read "To form the plural of an acronym, use a lowercase "s" without an apostrophe." Example: several IFSs. |
Kaj 26-Dec-2011 [4069x2] | In British English, an apostrophe is more common, so both are correct |
Congratulations on the ARM port. It's an important milestone | |
Dockimbel 27-Dec-2011 [4071] | Thanks Kaj, I hope to be able to demo some running Android app in Red/System (or Red) in march at the RedTopaz conf. |
GrahamC 27-Dec-2011 [4072] | the only arm device I know I have is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 uses an ARM-compatible Intel XScale IXP420 CPU. |
Dockimbel 27-Dec-2011 [4073] | XScale is based on ARMv5, so it should work, you just need to figure out how to download an executable from the NSLU2 and run it. |
Kaj 27-Dec-2011 [4074x2] | I've tested all example programs in all my bindings and they still work with the new release |
I've also compiled them for Android. I can't test them, but they do all compile | |
Dockimbel 28-Dec-2011 [4076] | Good! I'll try to test them on my QEMU instance (at least the non-graphic ones). |
Kaj 28-Dec-2011 [4077] | Don't you have X11 installed there? |
Dockimbel 28-Dec-2011 [4078x5] | I have an X11 (with Gtk I think) image for QEMU but it's dead slow, so I never use it. |
I will give it a new try to see if I can get Gtk binding working. | |
I've tested the cURL binding on Debian armel, works fine (used the example script and my own wget script). | |
For GTK, it stops on a symbol issue with atexit(): [root-:-debian-armel]:~/ARM# ./GTK-widgets ./GTK-widgets: symbol lookup error: ./GTK-widgets: undefined symbol: atexit | |
The `atexit` symbol is present in both the dynamic symbol and relocation tables of the ELF binary. | |
Kaj 28-Dec-2011 [4083] | It's in the ANSI standard for the C library, but it may not be in the Bionic C library for Android |
Dockimbel 28-Dec-2011 [4084x3] | I'm testing on Debian 6 in QEMU. |
I've checked the dependencies via ldd, all are met. | |
Maybe Andreas would have a clue about this. | |
Kaj 28-Dec-2011 [4087x2] | I've already had to leave it out of the C library binding for Syllable. That's also odd, though, because it uses the GNU C library, like Debian, and Syllable is supposed to have atexit |
It's also strange that the cURL binding would work, because it imports the same C library binding | |
Dockimbel 28-Dec-2011 [4089x6] | If I remove the atexit() dependency, I get segfaults on first calls to external functions (on printing the GTK version). |
So the issue is not specific to atexit(). | |
I guess that it might be causing by a bad version of one or several shared lib from GTK. | |
causing => caused | |
I've upgraded GTK to 2.20.1, but still getting segfaults. | |
I will investigate that deeper in the next days. | |
Andreas 28-Dec-2011 [4095x5] | atexit is often not present in libc's (it is neither in the x86-64 libc or in the ARM EABI libc). |
Some weird stuff with shared library unloading and what not. Don't ask me, really :) | |
They use __cxa_atexit on those platforms, typically. | |
GCC either rewrites atexit directly or redirects atexit calls to __cxa_atexit via libcc, I don't exactly remember. | |
(That should have been: "via a stub in libgcc".) | |
Dockimbel 28-Dec-2011 [4100x2] | CASE native implemented in Red/System (same syntax as REBOL's one). |
Doc and tests will be added tomorrow. | |
Kaj 28-Dec-2011 [4102] | Nice! |
Henrik 29-Dec-2011 [4103] | Missing double-quote in: http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html either a > 0 [print "TRUE"][print "FALSE] |
Dockimbel 29-Dec-2011 [4104] | Henrik: thanks, I'll fix that today with the addition of CASE description. |
Pekr 29-Dec-2011 [4105] | as for CASE - I could not fin it in the Docs, in the section talking about eventually planned features. I could find there only SWITCH directive :-) Maybe that section could be revisioned, to let us know, what is eventually planne, and what is not .... |
Dockimbel 29-Dec-2011 [4106x3] | I forgot to add an entry for CASE in the "Planned features" of the spec document. CASE and SWITCH were announced in slide 36 of my presentation at SFD: http://www.red-lang.org/2011/09/red-at-software-freedom-day-2011.html |
Other native functions were also announce, but their priority is lower. I should update the "Planned feature" section of the spec document. | |
I plan to also add SWITCH today or tomorrow. | |
Pekr 29-Dec-2011 [4109] | are those required to have function refinements in red/system? |
Dockimbel 29-Dec-2011 [4110] | No, they are not related to refinements support. They just enable to write cleaner code and more readable code. |
Steeve 29-Dec-2011 [4111] | for SWITCH I can see the need (computing labels in array to support indirect threading ) a speed issue. But why do you need to implement CASE in red/system, it's only a sequence of if/else statements ? |
Dockimbel 29-Dec-2011 [4112x2] | (answered just above :-)) |
CASE helps "flatten" the nested IF or EITHER constructions. | |
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