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Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [447x2] | Sure, no problem. |
I plan to support ARM directly. | |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [449x3] | Thanks, Doc, I just found it. I wanted to take the scenic route :-) |
It's amazing how much more approachable this system is compated to everything else out there - save for the very early teaching examples in computer science history | |
compared | |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [452] | I wanted to get back to the roots (80's for me) of computing, a time where an entire OS + programming langage could fit in a 16KB ROM ;-). |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [453] | Brilliant |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [454] | That was the ZX Spectrum ROM to be specific. |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [455x2] | I'd allow for 20KB, though. Atari was 8K OS + 8K BASIC + 4K decimal floating point :-) |
Or was it 2K math? I'm really getting old. Anyway, it beats the pants off that Intel stuff | |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [457] | I think that up to 64K, it's acceptable. :-) |
Henrik 15-Mar-2011 [458x2] | The Commodore Max beats that. |
http://scacom.bplaced.net/Collection/max/BASIC1.gif | |
BrianH 15-Mar-2011 [460] | Supporting ARM directly only gets you so far on Android. Native Activities were only introduced in 2.3, so the vast majority of Android devices don't support them. This means that unless you have some way to generate Dalvik code, applications witll still need some Java in them in order to run. |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [461] | Eh, you can do a lot in 510 bytes! |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [462x2] | Like a modern boot record... |
That reminds me of the Syllable demo I did where I installed the system in a Gentoo swap partition in order not to disturb the demo machine :-) | |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [464] | Brian: I was planning to bridge with the Java API using JNI. Having a generic Java app to embed the Red native app (would be contained in a DLL in such case). |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [465] | Though I've long maintained that Syllable is bloated, under weird looks of my colleagues, so we'll do some collapsing with Red :-) |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [466x2] | Similar to what you were proposing for R3 on Android. |
Swap: nice trick! :) | |
Janko 15-Mar-2011 [468x2] | sorry for not being able to do something more creative, other than say - this all looks awesome so far! Red progress, red on linux, red + 0mq!! |
BrianH: red for dalvik, I think that is really a good idea! there is and will be a whole bunch of android devices out there, so this would be great. | |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [470] | Janko: it's still an early phase of the project, but it's progressing well. |
Janko 15-Mar-2011 [471] | I know it's early, I am surprised by how fast and wide it's moving at so early stage. |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [472x2] | Like greased lightning :-) |
Although I'm running into a bit of a wall when I try to import functions under cdecl. I'm getting undefined symbols (path values into the emitter symbol table) all over the place | |
Dockimbel 15-Mar-2011 [474x3] | Kaj: you should wait that I add all the type & specs checking to the compiler and some unit tests (this week). It will make the compiler more usable. |
Kaj: I've fixed the cdecl bug (I guess it's the one you've hit), will push the sources in a few minutes. | |
Revision pushed. | |
Kaj 15-Mar-2011 [477x2] | Thanks. I don't even know if I need it, but you mentioned it for C libraries |
I don't mind the current limitations much if I know they will be fixed. I like to push the boundaries :-) | |
Dockimbel 16-Mar-2011 [479] | Cross-compilation is now supported from the command-line: do/args %rsc.r "[-vvvv] [-f PE|ELF] %path/source.reds" |
Kaj 16-Mar-2011 [480] | That's a really cool ability. It will turn some heads |
Kaj 17-Mar-2011 [481x8] | I published a new version of the 0MQ binding: |
http://rebol.esperconsultancy.nl/extensions/0MQ/ZeroMQ-binding.reds | |
This one is adapted for the latest Red. Since the basic runtime is now included by Red, it is removed from the binding | |
The send/receive functions have been changed from string to binary, so they can handle generic data | |
If you want to send data to Red from R3 or R2 using the Hello World example, you need to add a zero byte to the data, though, C style, because the example still expects string data | |
The test executables should now run on Windows, instead of just WINE: | |
http://rebol.esperconsultancy.nl/extensions/0MQ/server.exe | |
http://rebol.esperconsultancy.nl/extensions/0MQ/client.exe | |
jocko 17-Mar-2011 [489] | works fine under windows xp ! |
Kaj 17-Mar-2011 [490] | Cool, thanks for reporting |
Gregg 18-Mar-2011 [491] | Works here under XP x64! Wow. Just...wow. |
Kaj 18-Mar-2011 [492x4] | X64. :-) It's 32 bits, but good to know there are no compatibility problems |
The current ELF backend format doesn't satisfy Syllable's loader yet (Syllable Desktop has its own in-kernel ELF loader) | |
When I compile the tests on Linux and try to run them on Syllable, I get this in the kernel log: | |
0:bash::bash : Error: load_image() Invalid section size 0, expected 40 0:bash::bash : ERROR : execve(./empty) failed. Too late to recover, will exit | |
Dockimbel 18-Mar-2011 [496] | Do you have a readelf command-line utiliy on Syllable? |
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