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Pekr 12-Feb-2012 [4950] | I tested it initially also on that machine. As I said - I was able to turn screen on/off, to get is-power? returning proper values .... |
Kaj 12-Feb-2012 [4951x6] | That means #import basically works for this library, so the other functions should also be able to be made to work |
The Ex function variants are not about dialogs. They take an extra integer parameter for the screen number, when there are multiple LED screens | |
The sample code uses the Ex functions. There may be a bug in the simple functions, so you should try the Ex functions instead | |
CLedSetApp::InitInstance() does this: | |
#ifdef _AFXDLL Enable3dControls(); // Call this when using MFC in a shared DLL #else Enable3dControlsStatic(); // Call this when linking to MFC statically #endif | |
I don't know why that would affect communication with the device, but since the library itself contains MFC dialogs, it may need one of these initialisation functions | |
Evgeniy Philippov 13-Feb-2012 [4957x7] | (See also: Not REBOL) In this way, RED could be renamed to ROD with many positive and complex connotations :) |
ROD in modern Slavic mythology is a god of birth and of ansectry. | |
And RED is a color of war (including a nuclear war). | |
Rodit' in Russian means 'to give a birth'. | |
I'm thinking about deriving my own (simpler) ROD from RED :) All in all---Slavics must deal with their own mythology, and I am Slavic :) | |
Definitely ROD will be simpler than RED. | |
I don't need C influence there. | |
Maxim 13-Feb-2012 [4964] | note that currently, what you see isn't RED... its RED/System. |
Evgeniy Philippov 13-Feb-2012 [4965x18] | Of course |
This preprocessor is a BIG step BACK for a REBOL-like language and is completely counterproductive, and I can prove and explain why. I have a lot of insights into this issue. | |
Regardless of whether it's RED or R/S, it's highly counterproductive. | |
I find a code with preprocessing TERRIFIC, AWFUL, and TERRIFYING. It slows down compilation to orders of magnitude. | |
#include must be replaced by IMPORT or DEPENDENCIES | |
Since compilation of included file is done everytime, and for IMPORT/DEPENDENCIES it is done once, and then a compiled version of a dependency is used everytime, which is infinite orders of magnitude faster. | |
#define may be replaced by MACRO keyword (more specific) or by DEFINE keyword (if you want to use a broad term). # is redundant and ***misleading*** since it makes one think it's C #define. | |
why not use the simple | |
define macroname: macrovalue | |
syntax | |
? | |
#if and #either are easily replaceable by "if" and "either" with an optimising compiler | |
and are completely redundant | |
#switch is the same as #if/#either. | |
So, all preprocessor directives can easily be removed from a language of Red/System, and replaced by normal keywords. | |
They give no pros, and give only slowdown of a translator and also much greater complexity of a code (try to analyse it metaprogrammatically and you will understand what I tell about!) and they also give a redundant extra layer of complexity. | |
I propose to start a RED v2 | |
Red/System v2. Without a preprocessor directives at all. | |
GrahamC 13-Feb-2012 [4983] | Not if it delays RED |
Evgeniy Philippov 13-Feb-2012 [4984x6] | Haha. So you advicate a sShort time progress with Eternal |
oops | |
Sorry. So you advocate a short time progress with Eternal regress and pain of recompiling included files and unavailability of metaprogramming possibility? No-preprocessor languages can easily be analysed metaprogrammatically and transformed, and preprocessor languages cannot (almost). | |
That's very childish, then. Uninformed decision. | |
Okay my intent is derive ROD from REBOL... Not sure I will reach a result. | |
err from RED | |
Steeve 13-Feb-2012 [4990x2] | I don't know what you mean by "I want to be able to analyse metaprogrammatically". But if you want "cleaned" sources, you just have to run the pre-processor on the "biased" sources. |
Though, I don't know if it's possible right now to just run the pre-processor. But feel free to ask. | |
Evgeniy Philippov 13-Feb-2012 [4992x4] | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metaprogramming&oldid=472528422 |
I hate preprocessors installed right in the language. That's a sin of mixing layers into one layer. | |
Steeve, such cleaning removes important information from a code. That's reduction. And removing the preprocessor removes this reduction. | |
That's reduction of meaning of a program. Reduction of its semantics. | |
Steeve 13-Feb-2012 [4996] | Okkkkkk, I know what the word means in its regular sense. I just feel you should make clear yourself with the context and provide some use cases. |
Evgeniy Philippov 13-Feb-2012 [4997x2] | for example how to analyse this: |
#either macroname cond [ a if macroname ] [ b if macroname ] either macroname | |
Steeve 13-Feb-2012 [4999] | And we should switch the discussion into another thread |
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