World: r3wp

Thanks Peter!

Doc, could you make red-lang.org work, or at least redirect to www.red-lang.org, 
which does work?

red-lang.org redirects to www.red-lang.org for me with both Safari 
and Firefox.

ah .... because the browsers are automatically re-directing.

Doc said "I found it a bit difficult to follow in realtime, I'm not 
sure that AltME is the best tool for such conversations"... I must 
say that I have a problem to follow conversation on blog if it's 
in french only. And I always found it strange that someone writes 
comment under article written in english in a different language... 
usualy in french.

One even cannot use google translator to translate the page, because 
google thinks, that it's already in english. It's not able to translate 
just a partial content (without manually copying it to some translate 
forms). It's simply a very bad habit.

I think my BBS allows you to translate on a message by message basis

+1 for Oldes.

Anonymous posting is supposed to be possible now on the Red Google 
group, but I can't

AltME isn't the answer, but blindly picking the seemingly most popular 
for each infrastructure part isn't, either

Posting anonymous comments on the RED blog is now possible. It is 
not possible to post comments anonymously on the Red Google group.

This article was an influence in the decision to request people to 
register to the Google Group - http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/

Brian: I'm fighting with Blogger since the beginning to make the 
red-lang.org domain redirection handled correctly by Google, but 
the feature seems broken.

You're also fighting with yourself in not wanting to use CureCode 
:-)

Anyway, was Spain refreshing?

CureCode: I want to see if github's bugtracker is good enough, especially 
the integration with the commits.

Spain: I was in Barcelona, it was very nice, brought a several sun 
burns ;-)

Nice

If integration is the criterium, then why not use Fossil?

Because github is the most known one, there's a lot of programmer 
there, so that the place where Red can get the most visibility.

I know, but as Peter notes, the popularity criterium breaks down 
on the choice for Google Groups

I reported a couple of possible bugs in the GitHub Issue Tracker. 
I didn't fid it very bug friendly.

Once again, I'm not a git fan. I use it because that's the only way 
to be on github.

Besides, the most popular is Subversion, or maybe still CVS

The "social" part of Github is the real added value.

Sure, but that was Subversion just a few years ago, and it will be 
something else a few years from now

Google Groups: do you have a better option?

Not a perfect one, but many alternatives work better

DVCS solutions have made the old centralized VCS almost obsolete 
for open projects.

Yes, I've been advocating that for many years, but we're talking 
social pressure here, not best solutions

A online tool like Github is making contributions both easier to 
do and easier to integrate back in the main project.

Regarding Google Groups, I think the point is that it isn't about 
a new project in a vacuum, but that it needs to compete with AltME. 
If it's considerably worse, people will never leave here

Hopefully, I don't expect Red community to be limited only to the 
REBOL community using AltME ;-)

Yeah, but there's a launch barrier to break

Anyway, either attract a new community in Google Groups, or replace 
it with something that can compete with AltME, but don't complain 
that people won't trade AltME for Google Groups

I don't mean that to sound harsh, just realistic

Btw, there's the #red-lang IRC channel on freenode for realtime chat 
(just a reminder).

Same consideration for me :-)

I have opened a Google Groups ML mainly for the peoples not part 
of REBOL's community. It would be easier for me to have only one 
channel of communication, but if there's several, I'll adapt to what 
people prefer to use. Having only AltME channel would feel for newcomers, 
like Red if was a private club only for a selected few.

I know, it's the existing community and infrastructure that's the 
issue

Oldes: I find that irritating too. From now, I'll just answer in 
english only in the blog comments ;-)

like Red if was a private club
 => like if Red was a private club"

If AltME could have a pure web client (supporting search engines 
indexing), threaded conversations, an email bridge for reading and 
posting, and an open API, it would probably become the best solution 
for online communities (of developers or other kinds).

Yes

I've advocated that for seven years or so

It's clear that it won't happen if we don't build it ourselves

I'm curious what Reichart is thinking about such improvements to 
AltME (preferably in the !AltME group).

There's been such a plan for half a decade. It was made to depend 
on R3

I've made a change in red-lang.org domain's DNS setup, we'll see 
in 3 hours if it fixes the naked domain redirection issue.

Redirection of red-lang.org to www.red-lang.org seems to be working 
ok now from here (testing from REBOL console). It might need a few 
more hours for the DNS change to propagate everywhere.