World: r3wp

Spain: I was in Barcelona, it was very nice, brought a several sun 
burns ;-)

Nice

If integration is the criterium, then why not use Fossil?

Because github is the most known one, there's a lot of programmer 
there, so that the place where Red can get the most visibility.

I know, but as Peter notes, the popularity criterium breaks down 
on the choice for Google Groups

I reported a couple of possible bugs in the GitHub Issue Tracker. 
I didn't fid it very bug friendly.

Once again, I'm not a git fan. I use it because that's the only way 
to be on github.

Besides, the most popular is Subversion, or maybe still CVS

The "social" part of Github is the real added value.

Sure, but that was Subversion just a few years ago, and it will be 
something else a few years from now

Google Groups: do you have a better option?

Not a perfect one, but many alternatives work better

DVCS solutions have made the old centralized VCS almost obsolete 
for open projects.

Yes, I've been advocating that for many years, but we're talking 
social pressure here, not best solutions

A online tool like Github is making contributions both easier to 
do and easier to integrate back in the main project.

Regarding Google Groups, I think the point is that it isn't about 
a new project in a vacuum, but that it needs to compete with AltME. 
If it's considerably worse, people will never leave here

Hopefully, I don't expect Red community to be limited only to the 
REBOL community using AltME ;-)

Yeah, but there's a launch barrier to break

Anyway, either attract a new community in Google Groups, or replace 
it with something that can compete with AltME, but don't complain 
that people won't trade AltME for Google Groups

I don't mean that to sound harsh, just realistic

Btw, there's the #red-lang IRC channel on freenode for realtime chat 
(just a reminder).

Same consideration for me :-)

I have opened a Google Groups ML mainly for the peoples not part 
of REBOL's community. It would be easier for me to have only one 
channel of communication, but if there's several, I'll adapt to what 
people prefer to use. Having only AltME channel would feel for newcomers, 
like Red if was a private club only for a selected few.

I know, it's the existing community and infrastructure that's the 
issue

Oldes: I find that irritating too. From now, I'll just answer in 
english only in the blog comments ;-)

like Red if was a private club
 => like if Red was a private club"

If AltME could have a pure web client (supporting search engines 
indexing), threaded conversations, an email bridge for reading and 
posting, and an open API, it would probably become the best solution 
for online communities (of developers or other kinds).

Yes

I've advocated that for seven years or so

It's clear that it won't happen if we don't build it ourselves

I'm curious what Reichart is thinking about such improvements to 
AltME (preferably in the !AltME group).

There's been such a plan for half a decade. It was made to depend 
on R3

I've made a change in red-lang.org domain's DNS setup, we'll see 
in 3 hours if it fixes the naked domain redirection issue.

Redirection of red-lang.org to www.red-lang.org seems to be working 
ok now from here (testing from REBOL console). It might need a few 
more hours for the DNS change to propagate everywhere.

Found the first annoying issue with github's tracker: you can't reopen 
an accidentally closed ticket. :-)

The issue re-opening feature was a contextual option. I still need 
to adjust a bit to github's logic.

http redirection for the root domain looks good:

$ telnet red-lang.org 80
Trying 216.239.34.21...
Connected to red-lang.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: red-lang.org

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Location: http://www.red-lang.org/

Doc, perhaps you need a quick FAQ in the wiki to explain Red.

Henrik: if you have questions that are not answered by the initial 
presentation or by the Red/System specifications document, I'll be 
glad to add them to a FAQ section.

I haven't had the time to recreate my proposal for changes to the 
pointer/struct model as a Google Groups entry. Maybe this week, maybe 
next.

google groups entry == email :)

Email = something I've been avoiding outside of work for nearly a 
decade.

Props; I've only succeeded about half a decade :-)

I've only succeeded since a billing snafu caused my email provider 
to delete a year's worth of email, about 5 years ago or so. All I 
missed was the REBOL mailing list, so I just never resubscribed to 
it. Since then, people call or text msg me to tell me they've sent 
me email, or I get it several months later. Paper mail is nearly 
dead for me too.

-> ~Chit Chat

No, we're discussing communication methods

I was done anyways. If anything interesting is posted in the Red 
GG, I would appreciate if it were linked here. Otherwise I might 
not see it for weeks. Or does GG have RSS or Atom feeds of their 
posts?

http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/feeds

Thanks, the feeds work :)

one of the main thing that makes  rebol a farce is  the object! concept... 
It's just a cosmetic issue to claim that rebol  can deal with object 
and so it is OO ... Ridiculous rebol's object! type is just a half 
assed C struct... You want people to take you serriously don't pretend 
doing things you don't and don't claim being things you don't because 
you labeled something to be like that. rebol object! have only attributes 
no methods no encapsulation, inherence is only from 1 source, no 
polymorphism, no abstraction