World: r3wp

google groups entry == email :)

Email = something I've been avoiding outside of work for nearly a 
decade.

Props; I've only succeeded about half a decade :-)

I've only succeeded since a billing snafu caused my email provider 
to delete a year's worth of email, about 5 years ago or so. All I 
missed was the REBOL mailing list, so I just never resubscribed to 
it. Since then, people call or text msg me to tell me they've sent 
me email, or I get it several months later. Paper mail is nearly 
dead for me too.

-> ~Chit Chat

No, we're discussing communication methods

I was done anyways. If anything interesting is posted in the Red 
GG, I would appreciate if it were linked here. Otherwise I might 
not see it for weeks. Or does GG have RSS or Atom feeds of their 
posts?

http://groups.google.com/group/red-lang/feeds

Thanks, the feeds work :)

one of the main thing that makes  rebol a farce is  the object! concept... 
It's just a cosmetic issue to claim that rebol  can deal with object 
and so it is OO ... Ridiculous rebol's object! type is just a half 
assed C struct... You want people to take you serriously don't pretend 
doing things you don't and don't claim being things you don't because 
you labeled something to be like that. rebol object! have only attributes 
no methods no encapsulation, inherence is only from 1 source, no 
polymorphism, no abstraction

I guess you wanted to post that to ~Vent group and posted that here 
by mistake?

nope ...

I wanted to post here anyway as the things goes usually with this 
community we will have a 6 month red is  everywhere thing and then 
noone will care anymore.

Are you aware that your post from 17:58 has nothing to do with Red? 
It's just off-topic. Btw, thank you for your very smart and constructive 
comment.

Just a note about the string! to binary! renaming (it was proposed 
to avoid future possible collision with a Unicode-aware string! datatype):


After digging this idea a bit deeper, I came to the conclusion that 
the string! datatype (in the C sense, a null-terminated sequence 
of bytes) is only a subset of a what a binary! datatype would be. 
So I would rename string! to c-string! instead.

About a possible binary! datatype in Red/System, I don't think it 
would be more useful than an array! of byte! values, just maybe providing 
a safer alternative to array! (as binary! value size would have to 
be encoded somewhere). If someone has good pros for a binary! datatype 
at Red/System level (it will exists at Red level anyway), let me 
know.

Dockimbel it has a related topic ... Don't do like rebol did ... 
Claming to do things you don't.... and the object! type and whole 
OO justification made by Carl to justify his choice of a half assed 
OO concept  is null ... And that's what I want to share with people 
in red ... you shouldn't even try to be parasiting rebol (create 
your motion around rebol lack of motion using communication tools 
that are seen by 10 guys that are fanatics of rebol and won't support 
red...). Set you own discussion tools create a communication branch 
aside and invite people here to join you without counting on them. 
And more importantly try to convince non reboler to join and help 
you. face it there is way more people outside rebol community than 
inside.

Red doesn't have objects yet, so it's not related.

c-string! sounds good to me for that type.

Red will have object! brianH since red main goal is to clone the 
closest possible rebol otherwhile why Dock put a section about where 
is rebol today in his presentation ;)

c-string! is confusing their is no String in C to start with ... 
maybe in C++  or in java but then they are objects with utility related 
methods and red don't have object like said brianH

Discussing object! datatype now in Red channel is off-topic. Also, 
you're not proposing anything, you're just ranting against REBOL.

string! is meaningfull c-string! isn't ...

dockImbel I'm proposing you to not follow Rebol's tracks I'm sorry 
you don't understand that :)

shadwolf: If you don't like REBOL nor Red, I wonder why you're losing 
your time (and our time) by posting here? Didn't you announce that 
you were leaving the REBOL community a few weeks ago?

dockimbel I can't say I don't like Red I don't  saw it ... But the 
idea of harvesting the remains of rebol's corps bother me ...  You 
don't even have red done that you put it on the same tracks using 
the same talent less people... do whatever but don't cry at the end 
of the year when red will be used by noone and that the red community 
will be the very same as rebol community

You still ranting (on your own personal predictions), but not proposing 
anything, only wasting bandwidth...

what did the others here proposed ?

You should be reading this channel history instead of asking.

and I propose manything  but you are too limited apparently to understand 
them first is if you do things do them the right way not the rebol's 
way. You should sever ties from rebol community since they are not 
able to drive their own projects  how could they drive Red.

Those are main basic themes of conserns that will have a deep impact 
on Red you refuse to see it fine

and if I asked is because I rode the bunch of lame craps here and 
it's exactly the same amount of crap comming from the same people 
on any other topic here ...

dockImble how many of the people in the rebol community submited 
you lines of  codes for red/system ?

Look into Red's page on github and count them.

Red has a lot of submitters for this stage of its development, a 
lot more than I've seen from similar open source projects when they 
were this new. It's commendable.

if you do things do them the right way not the rebol's way

 That is a very presumptuous statement, so you hold the real "Truth 
 of the Right Way" :-)

i'm looking at the github i see dockimbel along every files and only 
Peterwoods for doc dir

you should look better, try the commits history.

Brian: I agree, there's more contributions that I expected for a 
project that is public since a month only.

I saw the commit history so there is a SteeveGit a Peterwood a earl 
this is what you call alot of people are you joking ?

and those people are the people from here ...

A month old.

you are on rebol's track you already did a dead born clone of rebol 
and red is going the same path but with R-sharp at least there were 
4 people working for it no 1 with 2 bug trackers

Are you saying that you want to contribute enhancements to Red? Very 
commendable of you.

BrianH sever ties with rebol do the things to aim commercial success 
then you can say for you interview to computers or time's magazin 
that yeah rebol was your source of inspiration for red ...

BrianH hum ? nope I don't want to contribute to anything  handled 
the rebol community way ;)

and  red is looking that way ....

R-sharp at least there were 4 people working for it

 You must be talking about a R# in a parallel universe, in our reality, 
 I was the only one working on it.

I saw more than your name on the R# source code I can list them for 
you to remain you who are they

I've listed 4 peoples in the README file, but Brahim's and Arnaud's 
source code never made it in the repository (project stopped before), 
Volker's contribution is a 10-lines C function. That's hardly a "4 
people working for it". I have written 99,99% of the released source 
code.