World: r3wp

Endo: think about the fact that the (...) is usually a long expression, 
but more importantly, there is no clue that TO is an op rather than 
a function, other than it not being a verb (which is not obvious).


The IN case is much easier to read, and IN is used in a similar way 
in other languages. TO might confuse both rebolers and non-rebolers... 
:)


I still like the idea of them being ops, i'm just worried about it 
being too unreadable and forcing parens most of the time. would anyone 
prefer using some kind of symbol? eg. similar to the <- suggested 
above.

Normally all op!s are somehow related with math, as we can consider 
equality tests (=, !=, > etc) and logical operations (xor, and etc.) 
as math operations.

TO and IN are different by this way, they are not related any math 
operation, they don't test, they don't calculate anything.

And one of them should have a precedence the other, or we should 
use parens, or can we say always left-to-right:

>> o: context [a: "3"]
>> 'a in o to integer!

I like TO better than a symbol, which would also be non-standard, 
but maybe we can have both

Gabriele will give a presentation about Topaz during Software Freedom 
Day 2011, wednesday 14th september, at the Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica 
(CWI), Science Park Amsterdam: http://www.softwarefreedomday.eu/

That is a very good news!

I like this idea print  "hello " .  myvar . " !" or print "hello 
" + myvar + " !"  over the print rejoin ["hello " myvar " !" ] ... 
In web area a rebol inspired language using more "advanced" less 
pompous string concatenating method will be noticed I think...

I like the perl way to deal with bash expression on linux ...

myvar=`ls  /home/myname/mydir`  foreach file myvar [ print "file 
name: " + file ]

arriving to do something like that in a rebol inspired script language 
would be terrific ... I know I'm just giving some thought and no 
code ... well ... I have not your talent for those thing :)

oh last remark ... I noticed most of the time scripting language 
tends to be differenciated by their affectation symbol  example lua 
use var ::= 1 rebol var: 1 perl var= 1, PL/SQL var:=1;  etc ... I 
like the rebol way of affectation and since that one of the sign 
of a rebol script I think it's important to keep in in spin off languages 
...

ok one last remark with red, borron, and red isn't that too much 
spin off language to handle for this community ? I understand there 
is a lot to research on this very interesting field ... but don't 
you fear that those project  will in a short term stop growing cause 
complexity level reach and there is noone to keep them on the progressing 
curve. Can eventually  those project be merged into one single project 
keeping the other two less advanced  as research ground and the BIG 
thing being granted with the best ideas proven in the "research" 
project ?

I fear that being 3 totally seperated projects on their own they 
won't liveon ... and somehow collide  ... Ok I'm not clear on this 
...

Shadwolf, something like "bla" . "bla" . "bla" cannot be optimized 
in an interpreter like Topaz, moreover, why the hell should i have 
to write . a hundred times and have an error when i forget it? So, 
no, you won't get this in Topaz.

Re: SFD: I hope to have something to demo as well, but i can't guarantee 
that as Topaz still has a long way to go before 1.0. Worst case, 
i'll just talk about it in general and accept questions.

gabriele I think the perl/php  apraoch print "myvqr bla blah myothervar" 
is not in your plans neither ... Well I gived you just a list of 
the kind of things I think rebol could do better no offense ...

take them as overall general comments and particular taste of someone 
used to program in around 20 languages ...

I've significantly reorganized the Topaz source code. A bit more 
manageable this way.

https://github.com/giesse/Project-SnowBall

just added ERROR!... next: optional function arguments etc. I think 
i'll have enough to show at the SFD :-)

We're looking forward to it

Pushed optional function arguments (interpreter only right now).

For a sneak peak of how it works, see the comments in: https://github.com/giesse/Project-SnowBall/blob/master/topaz/types/function.topaz

You can play with it at http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/topaz/try-topaz.html

It was a race against time... but Topaz is now ready for the SFD. 
:-) See Github for all the changes.

Now... i need to put together a couple slides... :-)

Great!

And the slides are going up on github too ?

The slides will be on the web, hopefully even before my presentation, 
but in the worst case as soon as i'm back.

I'll try to report the Topaz and Red talks here tomorrow

The talk is 2day?

Yes.

Less than twelve hours to go :)

http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/topaz/SFD2011.html

Self referencing slides?

I'm sorry, it turned out that the venue has a firewall that blocks 
almost everything except HTTP, even outgoing connections on the wired 
network, so we couldn't get through with AltME

Nice slides Gabriele.

Looks like something to follow, if making web applications. Good 
job, Gabriele!

The presentations of Gabriele and Nenad were great, and we also had 
a good time afterwards. We thank them both

we also have SFD in the Singapore National Library. If u could share 
the slides by tomorrow, I would try to prepare myself for a talk 
also.

ah, ok, i see it now... damn small altme fonts on the mac...  any 
other format than flash? i dont know how to step backwards

I didn't realize you had to click on the page to make it advance. 
 How to unclick to make it step backwards?

Right-click and then select rewind takes you back to the beginning.

Gabriele - will Topaz utilise things like encryption? That would 
be handy to have some hashing etc. Other question is - will Topaz 
be able to "wrap" things like jQuery, so that you could write your 
"app" in Topaz, utilising jQuery widgets? Sorry if answers are obvious 
.....

Think JavaScript

Gabriele´s presentation about Topaz during Software Freedom Day 2011 
at the Centrum Wiskunde & Informatica (CWI), Science Park Amsterdam, 
last wednesday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJHMkN9qJ4

It would be nice for future talks to have a PC screen infront of 
the presenter so that they don't talk to the screen.

Gabriele couldn't connect his laptop, because the available HDMI 
adaptor was incompatible

Heh .. finally a case for power point!

Graham, the windows pc that was there did not have a second screen. 
My laptop has DVI, not HDMI, but only digital DVI, and the projector 
(or, at least tha adaptor that was there) seemed to want analog. 
So I'm sorry if you're looking at my back most of the time, but it 
was hard to do anything without looking at the projector screen :)

Petr: yes on all, of course; the question is only "when". I hope 
soon. (You can already wrap jQuery quite easily)

I'm planning to do something like a Hangout on Google for a Q&A for 
people here that were unable to come to the conference. When would 
it be a good time? Any other suggestion other than Hangout?