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[World] For discussion of World language

Sunanda
4-Dec-2011
[258]
Test
m

Both loook good!
james_nak
4-Dec-2011
[259]
Re: naming convention from ann-reply

You could use the same names as they are now: world_linux.xxx and 
then suggest the user can/should rename his version as world.xxx. 
That way a person can get going immediately without that step if 
he wants to.
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[260]
Ok, suggestion noted. I'll think about it and maybe change it later.
Robert
4-Dec-2011
[261]
World should accept REBOL [] as header to run R2, R3 scripts through 
it without editing these.
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[262]
First let's see, how many REBOL scripts will actually run. I assume, 
a lot of work is needed in %rebol.w . You guys are welcome to contribute. 
Maybe we need a project for that!?
james_nak
4-Dec-2011
[263x2]
Pekr, maybe this will help: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314106
with that error.
Geomol, interesting. I can execute the mandelbrot.w but not the cmandelbrot.w 
w> cmandelbrot
** Error: cmandelbrot has no value
** Near: cmandelbrot
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[265x2]
w> do %test/cmandelbrot.w
I don't think, there is a cmandelbrot function.
james_nak
4-Dec-2011
[267x2]
My bad. I was thrown off by the way the original "test" worked.
I thought you could simply type the name of the file. :-)
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[269x4]
:) Look at the bottom of the %cortex.w file. You'll see the test 
function and the m function. I just include them for now, because 
I call those two scripts all the time.
To have more luck with running REBOL script with world, do the %rebol.w 
first.
%rebol.w will extend World with some REBOL stuff. We could say, REBOL 
then is a dialect of World.
I added cortex_alpha.pdf to World at GitHub. It's some initial documentation.
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[273]
there's something with mime-types imo - right clicking the exe, choosing 
to save, saves it as world_win32.exe.htm, containing github html 
stuff ...
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[274]
Why you just down download https://github.com/Geomol/World/zipball/master
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[275]
Because thing shoul be easy! And if Geomol points us to the link 
he posted, I will not look around to find some mysterious zipball 
...
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[276]
so try to click on it using left button:) https://github.com/Geomol/World/blob/master/world_win32.exe
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[277x2]
OK, I found I still have Tortoise git installed, and synced the stuff 
....
It is quite a long time I last used it to get R3 sources ;-)
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[279]
It would be better to contact github to add colorizer for the World 
language.
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[280]
Clicking left button does not help at all - brings you to subpage, 
where no download button is available. So I used raw link. It stores 
it as 515kb exe, which is not runnable.
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[281x3]
It would probably require a small fix in the current colorizer used 
for Rebol (so World is recognized as well)
of course there is the download link... it's called RAW.. and you 
could also see history with diffewrent versions
(once there will be a new versions)
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[284x4]
Just try to download .raw - it is not runnable
OK, now the question - World is some 515 KB - it is still small in 
comparison to many other tools out there,but still the question remains 
- why it is so "big", as it mostly compares to /Core? :-)
Interesting - after the start, it also takes 4.3MB vs 2.3MB of R3/View
It would be intesting to have 'stats (profiler) available - anything 
like that planned?
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[288]
Size is probably because of some Windows includes/libs. From my mac:

-rwxrwxr-x+  1 john  staff  360286  4 Dec 09:53 world_linux
-rwxr-xr-x   1 john  staff  346216  3 Dec 11:27 world_macosx
-rw-r--r--+  1 john  staff  515991  4 Dec 09:50 world_win32.exe


The OS X and Linux version is much smaller. I have to dig into that 
at some point. But I don't think, it's so important right now.
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[289]
Geomol - absolutly - not impotant, just a question of couriosity 
.... You better focus to some other areas :-)
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[290]
Yeah, STATS would be nice. It's not high on my list atm.
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[291]
I have got first crash. Try code like:

for i 1 1000000 1 [print "ahoy"]

... and press ctrl c
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[292]
ctrl c terminates World. That's intentional.
Pekr
4-Dec-2011
[293]
ok
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[294]
I guess you should give us a bug tracker.
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[295]
nooo too much work for me. :)


Well, for now I would not have time enough to deal with lots of bug 
reports. At a later time, when I'm mostly done coding on it, and 
have removed all the bugs, I already know about, and added missing 
features, bug reports are very welcome. But simple tests, like you 
see in the test/ dir is a good idea. I can handle a couple of falsed 
tests at a time now. So maybe that's a way.


What do you guys think is a good way? What way will get to the goal 
knowing I'm booked with things to do already.
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[296]
I guess you need form for feature requests as well :) For example 
the routine! part is not good enough, R2 version is better at this 
moment.
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[297x4]
Yes.
Fixing the routine part is high on my list.
And the defining rules for routines will most likely change, so don't 
use a lot of time making routines, unless you're ready to change 
your code later.
Defining routines is on page 10 in cortex_alpha.pdf. I just updated 
that doc.

Oldes, you can try putting in the [typecheck] special attribute.
Oldes
4-Dec-2011
[301]
don't forget routines which return void
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[302x3]
I think, that's supported already with
void none!
at the end of the make routine! block.
And when the return type is void, the World type after (none! in 
my example above, I should maybe had said unset!) is ignored. Return 
is unset! then.
Reached 1000 pageviews.

Stats about audience for
http://world-lang.org


Overview: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/world/overview_20111204.png
Stats: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/world/stats_20111204.png


Earlier stats: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/world/stats_20111128.png
PeterWood
4-Dec-2011
[305x2]
On OS X, World seems to be fussy about which directory it is launched 
from:

Rodney:Simple-Test peter$ cd ~/Languages/World
Rodney:World
 peter$ ./world

Loading Cortex... Done

World/Cortex 0  Copyright (c) 2009-2011 John Niclasen, NicomSoft

build: Dec  3 2011 11:27:45

w> .

Hello, World!
w> tes
t
== true
w
> quit

Rodney:World peter$ cd ~/Code/Rebol/Simple-Test

Rodney:Simple-Test peter$ ~/Languages/World/world

World/Cortex 0  Copyright (c) 2009-2011 John Niclasen, NicomSoft

build: Dec  3 2011 11:27:45

w> .

** Error: . has no value

** Near: .

w> test

** Error: test has no value

** Near: test

w> quit
Do you have a place to keep a list of REBOL incompatibilities?

For example:

** Error: set has no refinement called any
Geomol
4-Dec-2011
[307]
Not yet. How do we do that the best way?