World: r3wp

Any news here? Wondering why the momentum is mostly gone für world.

maybe the licensing talk kind of lowered enthusiasm

Maybe Geomol has found his own cave ?

:))

Probably there comes free cave with every closed-source language.

The last release was only a couple weeks ago.

Gregg - "only a couple weeks ago"? That pretty much sucks. Geomol 
HAS TO relalise, that noone is really intereted in old school models, 
or he is on his own ....

Is that sarcasm Petr?

It is his free will to choose his license, as it is his free will 
to stay mostly unnoticed ...

Gregg - not a sarcasm, just my point of view ...

OK. How often do you expect new releases then, to keep people interested?

What Geomol offers, is already being ruined by Carl and RT ...

Gregg - it is not about new releases, it is about caring about the 
product at all. So - Geomol announced World. After two months, my 
reality check is - NOONE is really interested, period.

And the culprit - the licence - the old song .... RT's path ...

I admit that I haven't made time to dig into World, but there is 
already a *lot* there from what I have seen. Personally, I am very 
interested. I am also very interested in leveraging community efforts 
in support of all the REBOL-like languages that are available.

As well as R2 and R3, including Saphirion's work.

As for me - I do care about the Red - I already donate, and I will 
do so in next few weeks again. In opposition to you, I don't care 
in ANY closed efforts again. I don't care about RT anymore. Carl 
is an ufo :-) I can't accept  ANYONE, behaving like he is. Weren't 
we supposed to know the resolution of our situation? This is total 
crap - Saphirion my ass - Carl is just making joke of us all ...

As an IT manager, Carl would not survive one interview, period. His 
treat of REBOL related community, it totallly laughable. This it 
TOTAL failure, period. Anyone claiming - well -he has been away just 
for one year, is just an idiot ...

RT does not deserve any furter comment for me ...

Move to Vent to continue this.

No, no need for me ... you are too think skinne. The reality check 
is rather harsh though ...

Most users will not express it publicly. But many will agree - Carl 
has totally failed, easy as that ...

He said he had some real money making work to do

Mchean - WTF?

geomol

he had to do some work to pay the bills

I hope that he'll see the light about the licensing, he seems very 
reasonable

We were supposed to see an agreement between the Saphirion, and RT. 
And as expected - nothing happened. Perhaps, Carl is growing his 
wine :-)

or drinking it :)

Mchean - as for Geomol - I feel sorry for him - he is a victim of 
RT's treat of the community .... Geomol has clear view of how to 
put his project forward, but ppl don't seem to be interested - that's 
my impression at least ...

on the other hand I understand his concern about getting a return 
on his investment, and if world were

My impression (correct me if I'm wrong, Geomol) is that Geomol doesn't 
require our interest to get a return on his investment. He's already 
got a planned use for World in his own projects. Our interest and 
feedback is a bonus.

Pekr! Take a breath. When you're calm, then read your words here 
again. You're very off topic. Please move such rants to appropriate 
group. Please!

Then reality check:


This group was started 2 months ago. It's easy to go through it and 
look for my blue and yellow releases and notes. That's a lot of progress 
in 2 months. If you see it otherwise, then you're blind. The C sources 
of World has grown a lot in those two months, and it's quality work 
with few errors considering the amount.


You will most likely see the progress of World come in waves. I had 
worked intensely on it more than full time since before summer. Yes, 
more than full time (more than 8 hours a day, also week-ends), so 
that's a lot of man hours. The last month, I've done paid freelance 
work too. At the same time, for World I'm researching better networking 
(cURL), getting lib calls to work under Windows 64 using libffi and 
finishing the memory model, so circular references are coped with 
correctly. Why didn't I say so? Because I like to announce things, 
when it's done, instead of giving false hopes, but now I made an 
exception.


1) I'm not going to give my work away for free at this time. That's 
because I see no benefit in doing so.

2) World will not come in a situation like REBOL, with lots of errors 
for a long time and still closed source. If I wasn't able to continue 
work on World (to fix errors, make further progress or whatever), 
and if people relied on work already done, then I would open source 
it. As this isn't the current situation with World, this is no argument 
to open source it.


If you don't like my model, move on. Negative rants here are not 
productive.

sounds good to me.

First try on a World Map:
http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/world/World_Map.html

Made with FreeMind and exported as Flash.

That's cool! Then you can add explanations & examples to them, later.

And look at the "Note Window" under View menu, you can add notes 
to items. They will be exported to Flash / Javascript as Tooltips 
which is quite useful.

Oh and also try "Auto Layout" under Format menu, it makes it nice, 
but make a copy before use it.

Thanks!

very nice!

Excellent John.

Very cool.

Thanks, guys. Easy to do with the right tool, and FreeMind works 
well for me.

Geomol: Can you put icons to show which parts are completed, priorities 
and you work on?

The Map is the current picture of what's implemented, so it's not 
an image of all for version 1 of World. As I mention in the README 
on GitHub, date! and time! is only partly implemented, the rest is 
more or less completed for version 1.

I would like to improve the Map, so I'm working on that.

That's cool. Making a RoadMap diagram can be useful as well. So everyone 
can easily see what is next, what you are working on, what priorities 
are etc. of course if it helps you as well.
It is much more readable than a wiki.

Yes, much better overview with this type of tool.

New World Map at:

http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/world/World_Map.html


I freshed it up with some colors, which is also informative, added 
system, sys-utils and net-utils, added icons for parts with issues 
and added parts not implemented yet as grays.

Nice.

Nice map !