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Interesting. Are those hard statistics? Cheese shouldn't be the problem

The underlying issue is biology.

Humans are most closely related biologically to the great apes .. 
who eat plant based diets.  We have similar teeth and long intestines.

Feed them a saturated fat diet ( from animal products such as milk, 
cheese, meat ) and they get the same illnesses

Carnivores can not get atherosclerosis .. feed them as much animal 
fat as you like.  Only herbivores get atherosclerosis when eating 
saturated fats of animal origin

We're really omnivores, not herbivores

Sure .. we can eat insects to get our B12

All herbivores do not make vitamin C

carnivores make their own vitamin C

Guess what .. we don't make vitamin C either

So you all eat grass on the other side?

yes

rice is the staple food for most of the world

and is a grass

Well, it was half of my food today

Anyway, there's lots of data showing disease progression as populations 
move from Japan/china to hawaii/singapore to USA

as the diet changes to the local diets

and in NZ, the natives and pacific islanders .. all have problems

Anyway, as I said, an unpalatable recipe

Gotta go sleep - my health

Palatable to me Graham.

Is eating lots of potatos part of the Western life style?

Only as french fries.

Good. Not eating those. :-)

Why do groups of chimpanzees hunt monkeys now and then and eat meat?

Dominance issue .. monkeys aren't their main food source

Potatoes come from South America .. and they look very different 
now from those original pototoes!

Sure, apes eat most plants. I just wonder, why they seem to eat meat 
now and then. Maybe there is something in it, they need?

There isn't ...

The only thing missing from a pure plant based diet for humans is 
B12

What about fish? Are there something to the theories, that our brains 
evolved, when we started to eat more fish?

That's an ancient and discredited thesis

and like the great apes, we would get B12 from eating insects

Should move to ~Science so I don't lose this.

Maternal milk contains the fatty acids needed for baby's brain growth

no fish needed!

It seems plausible with the omega 3 in fish, and when we look at 
whales, who as mammals have so large brains too.

whales eat fish ?

fish get their omega 3 from plants

moving to science ...

@Kaj, "Home improvement with Freddy"? Home improvement was with Tim 
"the toolman" Taylor, not Freddy Krueger??

Well, he came with claw tools and tomb stones...

Kaj, I ran into Carl today in Home Depot and we talked about your 
SDL binding for Red.  Do you think it would be difficult to make 
a binding for R3?  Carl was saying that he thought it wouldn't be 
too hard to convert R3-GUI to run off of OpenGL instead of the current 
foundation (was it AGG?) so it could be hardware accelerated.

Just curious.

Cool. The host backends for R3 are quite firmly in its C source, 
though, so it wouldn't be much use to use my Red/System code: you'd 
need to write the port in C to integrate it in R3. Perhaps a part 
of it could be split off in the R3 devices architecture for hosts, 
but that's incomplete, and you would have to handle a host implementation 
in an extra Red/System shared library, because the Red/System compiler 
doesn't generate object files or static libraries yet to link into 
the R3 executable

Carl must've been talking about writing SDL into R3-GUI then.  Sometimes 
(often) he speaks above my level.

Nah, that's pretty much the same thing. All these considerations 
are Red details that aren't known to Carl

Another thing is that the classic SDL that's available everywhere, 
currently the 1.2.x series, is single-window. To get a proper R3 
host with multiple windows you need SDL 1.3, which is usable but 
is in a very stretched out development process, like R3. 1.3 has 
Android and iOS support, so you'd usually want that, anyway, but 
it's harder to get ready to download binaries for it, and I haven't 
tested it with my binding yet

I had been thinking over time about porting R3 on SDL when the time 
came, but it never did, so I have no plans for it now

What about something like FLTK ?

C++ and OpenGL, GLUT I think. Bleurgh