World: r4wp

just bend over ...

Carl has removed a few more tags to stop spoofing ...

in yellow

soo.. is this reply 10-Sep-2012 14:39:12 the real Carl or just more 
delicate fake Carl? The message still seem too simple about the future 
for the real Carl.

That's the real Carl - only the real Carl can remove comments, and 
comments were removed.

I think that the real hacker, has some surprise under the hood :-)

Note that my Etsy API script does patch HTTP (for purposes of retrieving 
API error messages).  You can view those changes here: http://reb4.me/r/etsy-http-hack.r

And with thanks to Nick for instigating, supporting and helping test!

Thanks Chris and Nick. I'll be using that code!

James, let me know if you encounter any problems. It's always a pain 
getting to grips with an OAuth app to start.

Thanks Chris I will. My wife has been itching to sell some stuff 
on etsy. Thanks for all you do Chris.

No one here can test my new %opengl-glu-glut-h.r on X11?

Cool kaj.

Thanks Kaj.

Hey, you are in the video too this time!

Kaj: how do Fibonaci.ruby and Fibonaci.r compare in speed on your 
demo machine?

Ah, found a verbose: 1 left in natives.reds thanks to your presentation...and 
the code is missing a macro....funny way to debug/improve my own 
code. ;-)

:-)

I published the complete benchmarks here early this year, I think. 
However, my Ruby results are considered unfair, because Syllable 
is using Ruby 1.8, while Ruby 1.9 is much faster. For the record, 
as far as I remember, REBOL is roughly twice as fast on such things 
as Ruby 1.8. Not sure if that applied to Fibonacci, but I remember 
it about Mandelbrot

Android binary is twice the size of Linux one because ARMv5 architecture 
is bad at dealing with 32-bit literal values, so it takes much more 
space than for IA-32.

Yeah, that's more or less what I explained

Even with my experimental literal pools allocator, it decreases the 
final size by 10KB only.

I like the part: "Where will Red be deployed when ready?...Everywhere!" 
;-)

Thank you for your presentation Kaj! I've enjoyed it, but I guess 
I'm too involved to be objective. ;-)

My pleasure

(I think the microbenchmark results were posted back in the REBOL3 
world.)

Oh, right

BTW, wrt to ARM big size binaries, it's also caused by ARM using 
32-bit words for every instruction, while IA-32 has still a lot of 
8 or 16-bit ones. For example, there's a lot of PUSH 0 instructions 
emitted for the datatype registration block (the unimplemented action 
pointers), that's 16bit on IA-32 and 32-bit on ARM.

However, ARM has also a lot of nice features and advantages over 
Intel CPUs.

I was reading the instruction set in 1987 :-)

[[Just dug out Kaj's numbers for the Mandelbrot benchmark posted 
in the REBOL3 world in Feb 2012:

Red/System: 15
REBOL2: 440
Ruby(1.8): 480


(All relative slowdown compared to the fastest implementation in 
Kaj's tests.)]]

You mean in the video? That's a faster machine

That was pre-faster-floats branch merge for Red/System, after that, 
Red/System score went down to 7 IIRC. ;-)

No, that's just the numbers you posted back in 2012-02. Slowdown 
compared to the performance of your C results back from 2012-02.

Oh, that way

So back then, the Red/System binary took 15x the time of the C binary 
to run to completion. And yes, that was before the float optimisations 
:)

(Not run to completion, but finish the mandelbrot computation. AFAIR, 
you timed from within the programs themselves, not via an external 
tool.)

I did both

Please, let me insist. Can someone test %opengl-glu-glut-h.r (on 
rebol.org) on a (real) X11 environment ?

If I had such an environment, I could test, but I don't, sorry.

real, as in not in a VM?

Yes I have it but not sure it is fast enough and with all the graphics 
drivers need, so it works but not as it should.

Are you using VMware workstation 9.0? They've really improved 3D 
acceleration in this version

No, using VMPlayer v.5.0

well, all I can say is that Ubuntu 12.04 running as guest is very 
smooth, graphically speaking, with 9, and it wasn't like that before

I noticed that Ubuntu 12.04 has broken java which doesn't run Eclipse 
(neither Indigo nor Juno), so I switched to Debian

1 frames in 21.601 seconds = 4.629415304847E-2 FPS
Place mouse cursor inside window to activate it
1 frames in 18.042 seconds = 5.54262276909434E-2 FPS
2864 frames in 5.001 seconds = 572.685462907418 FPS
2774 frames in 5.0 seconds = 554.8 FPS
3012 frames in 5.008 seconds = 601.437699680511 FPS
3138 frames in 5.001 seconds = 627.47450509898 FPS

GPL2 - what does that mean?

Carl once said GPL was a communist manifesto.  My how times have 
changed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses