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BrianH 29-Nov-2012 [976x3] | Pekr, he already did port it to ARM Linux, but at the time noone working on the project had an ARM machine to test with other than an Android phone. And porting the core to Android is the simple part; the host would need to be rewritten almost completely for Android due to the different application model. Noone was using Amiga either. The only alternate platform that was getting any use by the project members was Syllable. |
Porting the core takes about 5 minutes since it's just a matter of getting the compiler settings right. There is almost ne platform-specific code in the core. Porting the host code to a new platform can sometimes take a rewrite, depending on the application model of the platform. | |
You have to remember also that when the old R3 project was active, cheap ARM computers that could run straight Linux were almost unheard of, or were too expensive. Nowadays we have cheap micro-ARM computers that can be bought for less than $100 and can be easily experimented on. | |
Andreas 29-Nov-2012 [979x2] | Pekr, he already did port it to ARM Linux, but at the time noone working on the project had an ARM machine to test with other than an Android phone. Maybe I fall into the "no one working on the project" category, but I had ARM machines available for at least the last 6 years or so. Last time Carl was rumored to have ported to ARM (most likely "again"), I was certainly around, with ARM machines, offering to test :) |
But in any case, I see no indication as to why "porting to (Linux) ARM" should _not_ be a matter of 5 minutes, and I also see no real reason as to why not to believe Carl when he last claimed to have done such a port. | |
BrianH 29-Nov-2012 [981x2] | Good news: ARM compilers are better now too. They were a bit iffy back then. |
Andreas, whether you were working on the project before, I certainly hope you will be now :) | |
Andreas 29-Nov-2012 [983x2] | (Just for reference: the last time Carl was reported to have the R3 core lib compiled for ARM was 2011-02.) |
I'm certainly looking forward to the source release :) | |
BrianH 29-Nov-2012 [985] | IIRC he actually use the Android NDK compiler to do that build. But don't take my word for it. |
Gregg 29-Nov-2012 [986] | Arnold, just FYI, I'm tinkering with your redcompiler script, and will send you my version soon. When I started with REBOL, many people were kind enough to pass on suggestions, to make my code more REBOLish, so I try to do the same from time to time. It's not a critique of your code, just ideas you can accept or reject. |
Arnold 30-Nov-2012 [987] | I like your comments and code and I appreciate it. My script was made to make it work so it was pretty straightforward. When I have time, hopefully asap, I will update the script on rebol.org with your improvements. |
james_nak 4-Dec-2012 [988] | Thank you Arnold and Gregg. |
Gregg 4-Dec-2012 [989] | Thanks Arnold. You should probably remove all my ** comments, unless others want to compare the original, and see what I changed, and why. |
DocKimbel 4-Dec-2012 [990] | Nice work guys! |
Arnold 4-Dec-2012 [991] | Thank you! Gregg, I left the ** comments as clarification and did not spend a lot of time to consider if they were necessary or not. I'll have a look at them and clear the comments if they do not add to the flow. |
Gregg 4-Dec-2012 [992] | Kaj, do you have specific instructions for running test apps? e.g., for Red/System on Windows, should all GTK stuff work, or does it require other installations? Basic MS DOS Red tests ran fine here. \Red(System) Testing\MSDOS\Red>hello Hello, world! ?a??e, ??sµe! ??, ?? Dobry den svete \Red(System) Testing\MSDOS\Red>Fibonacci.exe Fibonacci 40: 102334155 |
Arnold 4-Dec-2012 [993] | Iirc, GTK must be installed for the GTK programs to work. It is not linked in. |
Kaj 5-Dec-2012 [994x2] | GTK is included in the MSDOS directory. Most dependencies for Windows are |
To get Unicode output on Windows, you need to switch the command prompt to Consolas font | |
Gregg 5-Dec-2012 [996] | Thanks Kaj. I will probably set up a test env for this, since I don't want to install all dependencies for this in my main env. |
Kaj 5-Dec-2012 [997x2] | No installation is needed. The libraries are simply there and are used from that directory. The graphical programs can simply be clicked on (although they provide extra output in the command line) |
Or perhaps better put, unpacking or syncing the files is the installation | |
Gregg 5-Dec-2012 [999] | Great. Thanks Kaj. |
Pekr 10-Dec-2012 [1000] | Hasn't someone written 6502 emulator for REBOL too? Was it Geomol? It would be nice to compare speed-wise :-) |
Kaj 10-Dec-2012 [1001x2] | I've never heard of it, but it would be extremely slow |
I think Henrik is interested in the topic | |
Arnold 10-Dec-2012 [1003] | Half a Raspberry, or run two emulators! Good progress Kaj. |
Kaj 10-Dec-2012 [1004] | Thanks |
Henrik 10-Dec-2012 [1005] | I was interested as a curiosity, but probably not for my own use. |
DocKimbel 10-Dec-2012 [1006] | Great work Kaj! Can it be used to emulate 32-bit CPU? |
NickA 10-Dec-2012 [1007] | 6502 emulater by John Niclasen: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/language/em6502.r |
Kaj 10-Dec-2012 [1008x4] | Oh, that is indeed great comparison material :-) |
Doc, it's firmly an 8-bit CPU emulator, but it can certainly serve as a general example to implement other emulators in Red/System | |
Hm, John's emulator uses RebCode, perhaps that's why it slipped my mind. It would be fairly fast, but only runs on some REBOL versions | |
It seems mostly meant for testing RebCode. It lacks a lot of functionality needed for emulating a real machine | |
Endo 11-Dec-2012 [1012] | Great work Kaj. |
Geomol 11-Dec-2012 [1013] | Yes, my em6502.r was a test of the speed of rebcode. It was meant as a proof-of-concept. I never used it much. It's for the rebcode found in REBOL/View 1.3.50, which was the first rebcode version afaik. So not compatible with later rebcode. There also is an assembler: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/language/asm6502.r and a MOS 6502 workbench: http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/language/m6502wb.r , if anyone can find some use of it. |
Steeve 11-Dec-2012 [1014] | I also made a Z80 emulation using rebcode http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=galaga.r |
Kaj 11-Dec-2012 [1015] | Cool stuff |
DocKimbel 11-Dec-2012 [1016] | Steeve: very cool work, Galaga was one of my favorite Arcade game of all time, I wish you could port the Arcade version to Red someday! ;-) |
Endo 12-Dec-2012 [1017] | Great news!! REBOL is now open source! |
james_nak 12-Dec-2012 [1018] | Kaj, thanks. 6502 brings back great memories. I got my first and only published program in the June 1986 Compute Gazzette with a C64 program called Quick Key. |
Maxim 12-Dec-2012 [1019] | yay, R3 is now free :-D |
Geomol 12-Dec-2012 [1020] | Wow, did that really happen? :) Could it be the beginning of something great? |
GrahamC 12-Dec-2012 [1021] | Now we just wait for the freeing of World .. and all Rebol variants will be open source :) |
Andreas 12-Dec-2012 [1022] | Yay! $ ./r3 --do 'print system/version' 2.101.0.4.4 |
Kaj 12-Dec-2012 [1023] | Eh? I thought the next release would be alpha 112? |
Andreas 12-Dec-2012 [1024x2] | R3 alpha 112 was 2.100.111 |
R3 open source is 2.101.0, at the moment. | |
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