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Doc, I announce this good news in Chinese http://weibo.com/rebol/
 :-)

Thanks Gerard! 

Jerry: Cool! I'll make a blog entry too.

Pekr: "I wonder what the strategy for Red is going to be in regards 
to GC ..."


Currently Red is using a per-OS thread mark-sweep-compacting GC. 
I intend to make it concurrent (maybe parallel) and incremental when 
(and if) possible. The collector is not yet fully implemented. It 
is also possible to easily make it generational if we need it. When 
we'll have big Red apps, we'll profile them and determine the best 
tuning options for the GC.


There's no silver bullet for memory management & GC, you need to 
adapt it to the language specific needs (and they may vary depending 
on the type of application: client-side, server-side, realtime, ...).

Will it be possible to swap it out, depending on needs?

I plan to use an abstraction API for memory management, so that we 
could in future, implement different ones.

Brian: I was wrong for OS X, it uses UTF-16 internally according 
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16

I am giving a speech in SDCC conference tomorrow. http://sdcc.csdn.net/speaker.html
My topic is Dart. I hope it will be Red next year when Red is mature 
enough. :-)

In a year, we should have passed v1.0 since a while. ;-)

Just want to have your advice on a issue I will have soon with Paypal 
and donations: there's a limit of 2500€ per year of reception allowed 
for EU accounts. It is possible to extend it by providing a lot of 
administrative documents to Paypal and even then it's at their discretion. 
Has I moved out of France, I won't be able to complete this requirements 
(and Montenegro is not supported by Paypal). So suggestions are welcome 
on how to keep receiving donations in a easy way for donators?

In the meantime, I would ask for donators making bigger than 100€ 
donations to use banking transfers instead of Paypal, so that I don't 
reach that limit this year.

Personally, I plan on setting up a Bitcoin donation option

Do you know a safe trading place where bitcoins can be converted 
to real money? The ones I used to know have all closed after being 
hacked...

They're still hacked now and then, but there are ever more. Here's 
a market share list:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=4d5de9b6d61b4f35e349320621804bcb&topic=93386.0

Personally, I think bitcoin sucks. I do not see the value that is 
represented by the bitcoin. "Computated hashes" or whatever. For 
who? I have some bitcoins I have made myself. How many do you want?

I'll gladly accept them :-)

BitInstant is doing interesting things, giving out Bitcoins in stores 
in the US, Russia and Brazil, and claiming to introduce a Bitcoin 
Master card in a few weeks:

https://www.bitinstant.com

Well who is issuing them, with what authority and what fundamental 
value? I cannot see this, whereas the state has the authority of 
the land where we live and foods are produced to base money value. 
(Second life 'money' was a hype.)  But that is a discussion for outside 
this Red message group.

As you said, you are issuing them. They're based on similar fundamentals 
as mainstream currencies

Here you have 10.000 nono-credits. Have fun!

Depends on what nono-credits are

Thery are called nono-credits because everywhere you want to exchange 
them you get to hear "nono"

Then I don't trust them. On the other hand, I do trust Bitcoins to 
have value. That's the difference

A recent story about PayPal, with advice: http://elliotjaystocks.com/blog/good-riddance-paypal/
The reply from the PayPal CEO: http://ndy.gd/JJgB

Apparently, so do you, because you want to give me nono-credits instead 
of Bitcoins :-)

That reply might have been to someone else having similar problems: 
http://storify.com/goodonpaper/how-twitter-rescued-me-from-paypal-hell

I do not bother to obtain bitcoins. Vague draining of computational 
powers of my tiny computer to compute some hashes(????) to unknown 
benefit to get by chance(???) ome 50 bitcoins of a limited(who controles 
this, I have serious doubts here too) supply of them. I am a real 
bitcoin sceptic, sorry. But again I think the Red group is not the 
place to discuss this matter, not that I have much more to say about 
this.

You made your point, but I have to counterbalance them for potential 
sponsors to Red. Nobody controls the Bitcoin supply, the limit is 
built into the system. You don't have to compute them yourself, you 
can exchange your other currencies for them

About the paypal issue I have the same doubts about paypal as well, 
for this 2500 Euro limit is (I do not get any gifts) really restricting, 
when going to a bank that cooperates with the paypal organisation, 
you can set up a business account where you are no longer bound by 
this limit but then 'you' need to become a business.


Yes you can just exchange your currency, but there was NO return 
prestation delivered for the original bitcoin.

so the worth is = 0

What original Bitcoin? Do you mean the computation? That's exactly 
what the effort in return is

But old valuations are irrelevant for current valuation. If you can 
pay me Bitcoins to do Red work, is that worthless to you?

Please move non-Red payment chat to another group.

Gregg, I'm not speaking hypothetically, I do intend to solicit Bitcoin 
donations for my Red contributions in the future

Doc, a bit late congratulations for your first Red program! (I was 
offline for a week)

Thanks Rebolek!

Doc, Services like Plimus or Fastspring probably have option to get 
you wire transfer or at least check (or some send you prepayed visa). 
Not eactly meant for your case, but if you don't find anything else. 
You could (I hope) make a "products" with them and then. I used them 
for similar transactions when nothing else could come into play. 
Paypal wasn' working here either and even now it's very clunky to 
retrieve the $$ from it.

By product .. I meant multiple products, like "$10 donation", "$30 
donation", .............. with saasy from fastspring even recurring 
stuff.. like "silver supporter"  $XY per month , "golden supporter" 
.. :)

Fastspring: "Pricing is 5.9% plus $.95 or 8.9% flat per order, whichever 
you prefer. " Quite expensive....but the prepaid MasterCard option 
is appealing.

I will write about Red Unicode support in a blog article this week.

BTW, I might also post soon a description of a redbin format (similar 
concept as Carl's rebin). The overhead and footprint of the Red boot 
script (loading all the words and their values) is not negligeable, 
so I may switch to redbin option sooner than later.

Was rebin ever implemented?

I don't remember reading that it was ever released, so probably not.

I don't think it was. I remember the last talk about it was back 
in 2004.

Rebin!!! I mean Redbin!!! Great! I wanted it when I was trying to 
implement a simple DBMS using REBOL.

I will push the current Red compiler & runtime code base tomorrow, 
still some more code cleaning to do. It will contain the Red boot 
script with all base definitions (currently actions, ops, a few natives 
and a few char! values) and a compiler front-end (similar to %rsc.r).


Don't expect too much, only MAKE has been fully implemented and FORM 
on integer! values only. PRINT is the only native currently.


This is not the first Red alpha, but it's a working base we can implement 
the alpha on (basically implementing actions and natives).

That is great

Can Red/System code be included yet, so the new platform can be sort 
of tested as a shell for Red/System programs?

Thanks for the updates Doc. Very exciting progress.