World: r4wp

I've updated the recipe in the Syllable build system to add Red:

http://syllable.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/syllable/syllable/system/apps/utils/Builder/packages/Red--current/

On Linux, the executable ends up in the directory of the compiler, 
instead of the working directory

I can confirm the segfault on Linux

Hm, I see Exec in the code :-)

Thanks Kaj, now you can see how all pieces start fitting together. 
Say hello to Peter for me, tell him, I'm sorry we still don't support 
FreeBSD, but I'm looking forward to fix that next time I'll meet 
with him. ;-)

I've found the cause of the linux regression, it was this commit:


https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/commit/fabad833b6bb8b82f9efdf4933c18bfd997a863f

Fixing it...

Doc - looks like you are having fun finally coming with Red :-), 
though it is clear it is a hard work :-)

am I correct that there is no interactive console yet and you need 
to compile source code?

yes, you are correct ...

I would very much like to have a console, but it is not doable at 
this point (unless someone has a bright idea?). We'll add one as 
soon as possible.

Crashes on non-Windows platform fixed (was causing also quick-test 
to fail tests).

# rebol -qw red.r %red/tests/hello.red

-= Red Compiler =- 
Compiling red/tests/hello.red ...

...compilation time: 	 30 ms

Compiling to native code... 

...compilation time: 	 1282 ms
...linking time: 	 	 25 ms
...output file size: 	 	30912 bytes

# ./hello
42

Pekr: I had fun too working on low-level with Red/System, but it 
takes a lot of energy while working at Red level is a lot more relaxing. 
;-)


But this is short holidays, once Red gets mature enough (I bet on 
a couple of months), we'll start working on Red/System v2 (rewritten 
in Red, with a new compiler & linker architecture). This will give 
up the opportunity to reboot Red/System, fix a few design decisions 
if required, extend it, and get a clean and lean new code base in 
Red. I plan to write some architectural specs about the target compiler 
before starting, so all contributors will be able provide me with 
feedback before we implement it. Trust me, you _will_ like the final 
compiler! ;-)

Sure I speak for many who are [silently] watching this and waiting 
for it to mature to the point where we can usefully contribute.

Ashley, same here. I can't really do much right now other than watch 
this wonderful thing unfold.

Ashley: that point is closer than you might think. Even at bootstrapping 
stage, once Red get enough Core features, you and any other reboler 
will be able to add new libraries or port existing one from REBOL 
(should be trivial in most cases). That's not limited to mezz code 
though, you'll be able to add bindings to pretty much anything, protocols, 
provide Red plugins for 3rd-party apps (browsers e.g.), even make 
a View clone if you want (that one could even be a community project). 
:-)

New macros system and Red/System fixes retrofitted from v0.3.0 to 
master branch.

Which branch should we use? 0.3.0. or master again?

I guess master if you want Red/Sytsem, v0.3.0 if you want Red

Exactly.

We'll probably merge all in master by the end of the month and celebrate 
the first Red alpha release.

Master branch is for stable code in maintenance mode, branches are 
for evolutions that could break code compatibility or stability.

Red doesn't work yet for me on Linux. See tracker

Can you apply the non-Windows fix to the Master branch as quick-test 
is failing there now.

Is it too early to report bugs on V.0.3.0 via GitHub ?

Kaj: I've answered in the tracker, should be just a couple of definitions 
missing (they are missing for Darwin too).

Bug reports: yes, too early, you can just post them here.

I've applied the fixes to master branch, see my last yellow message.

Tests are running fine on Windows with master branch. I've tested 
them successfully with linux/v0.3.0 too. Will tray again with linux/master.

Tests also seem broken on Linux.

This is the merge that seems to have caused the problem:

Schulz:Red peter$ git checkout master
Switched to branch 'master'
Schulz:Red peter$ git merge upstream/master
Updating 525097b..ffb1f68
Fast-forward

 red-system/compiler.r                           |   77 ++++++++++++++---------
 red-system/linker.r                             |    2 +-

 red-system/loader.r                             |   67 +++++++++++++++-----

 red-system/targets/IA-32.r                      |   33 ++++++++--
 red-system/targets/target-class.r               |   13 ++--
 red-system/tests/source/compiler/pointer-test.r |    4 +-
 6 files changed, 136 insertions(+), 60 deletions(-)

The output I'm seeing on both Linux and OS X is the same as on V0.3.0 
before you applied the patch.

The problem is on Linux. I prefer to handle it in the tracker because 
stuff gets lost here

Peter: I can reproduce the issue on Linux, I'm investigating it...

Thanks Nenad

Should be fixed now, the commit for the fix was missing in master 
branch.

I will add the missing definitions for MacOSX platform in a few minutes.

All tests pass on Linux and OS X after latest master branch commit. 
Thanks.

Good!

Kaj:does that change anything for your issue on Syllable Server?

For Git command-line users, a useful cheat sheet: 


http://jan-krueger.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/git-cheat-sheet.pdf

For those who are excited about what Doc is doing, please remember 
to continue donating.  He's devoting all his time and work to Red 
at this point.

Doc, you mentioned that the problem with Paypal is that they'll limit 
your total donation amount per year ... for now that works.  To avoid 
large wire fees for those who want to donate, perhaps you could set 
up a US bank account, and then wire money to your account in your 
country, after funds have collected.  If you need help, please let 
me know:  reverse "g r o  tod  z r a t i u g  ta  codmorf"

I want to make sure you stay well financed, so that you can continue 
to work without interuption.

Nick: thank you very much, I appreciate such help and "continue to 
work without interruption" is really all I desire. I'm afraid anyway 
that donation would not be enough with the current community size, 
so I will probably start searching for other ways of funding by the 
end of the year.

If you communicate clearly your financial needs, I'll do everything 
possible to help keep you funded.  An occassional update to your 
funding requirements would be appreciated.  I would appreciate being 
added to a regular email update, in case I can't keep up on AltMe. 
 I wonder if others who have donated on Paypal may be interested 
in an occassional update, so they can help when able/motivated.  
Your current progress is very motivating.  I hope that others who 
are watching feel the same way.

Has anyone here worked with OAuth and/or the etzy.com API in REBOL? 
 I'm currently looking through Christopher Ross-Gill's OAuth implementation 
for Twitter, and interested in writing a REBOL app using the etzy.com 
API.  I understand most of it, but don't get the "oauth_signature" 
spec.  Don't have much time for this, so would like to offer some 
$$$ for anyone able to instruct and or provide help implementing 
the etsy API.  Email reverse "g r o  tod  z r a t i u g  ta  codmorf"

oops, meant that for another group.  Sorry!

Doc, the new commits are in master, not in 0.3.0, so it can't effect 
the problem on Syllable Server