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[#Red] Red language group

Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2029]
Their stance is clear. The whole world has already complained, so 
this is what you get
GrahamC
22-Sep-2012
[2030]
Steve has already done the Amiga port
Henrik
22-Sep-2012
[2031]
Does it matter if their names appear in the source header?
Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2032x2]
Whose names
?
Henrik
22-Sep-2012
[2034]
 It just obligates you to advertise the author
Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2035x2]
http://openssl.org/source/license.html
3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
 *    software must display the following acknowledgment:

 *    "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project
 *    for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org/)"
Henrik
22-Sep-2012
[2037]
well, it's not the same software, but I couldn't care less, if we 
had to credit Elmer Fudd, just as long as we have something that 
works.
DocKimbel
22-Sep-2012
[2038]
I don't think that all future Red users will be pleased to have to 
provide a long list of advertisement with all their apps, just because 
Red uses 3rd-party libs underneath.
Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2039]
Henrik: something that works. I don't know what you want to use SSL/SSH 
for, but Red/System has a cURL binding. cURL usually uses OpenSSL 
and does most things you would want to do with SSL and SSH
Pekr
22-Sep-2012
[2040]
Kaj - the last thing I want is to have to distribute Curl with each 
Red script. How big is the Curl library? Even tens of KB is too much 
.....
Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2041]
cURL is included in almost all open source based operating systems, 
including OS X
GrahamC
22-Sep-2012
[2042]
If your software advertises the use of SSL, then you need to mention 
authorship.  If you don't advertise, you don't need to mention it.
Kaj
22-Sep-2012
[2043]
If you say your software is safe, that would already trigger it
Arnold
23-Sep-2012
[2044]
Better credit Elmer Fudd than *Bugs* Bunny :)
Henrik
23-Sep-2012
[2045]
Kaj, ok... why is it always licensing that stops good development...
Pekr
23-Sep-2012
[2046]
I don't understand following syntax - is that just a word? 

s: GET_BUFFER(data)
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2047]
That is the same reason why we adopted BSL for Red/System runtime 
code instead of BSD-3.
Pekr
23-Sep-2012
[2048]
does not look like a rebol syntax :-)
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2049]
Still, it is valid REBOL syntax. ;-)
Pekr
23-Sep-2012
[2050]
Well, Rebol/Red headers are extensible. Is that really a problem 
to have a 'credit or 'licence field, and mention authors of particular 
components?
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2051]
You have to make it visible to end users.
Pekr
23-Sep-2012
[2052x2]
Then I am dumb - R2 does not allow being it a word, nor is it a function 
... so, what's that? Well, some tests, uh, surprised :-)

>> GET_BUFFER: [1 2 3 4 5]
== [1 2 3 4 5]
>> GET_BUFFER: [1 2 3 4 5](escape)
>> data: 4
== 4
>> GET_BUFFER(data)
== 4
>> GET_BUFFER/:data
== 4
As for end user visibility, I can imagine one common place to have 
it - Menu/About dialog, credits section. But, what about apps without 
the GUI, right?
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2054x2]
It can be a CREDITS file distributed with your app.
>> [GET_BUFFER(data)]
== [GET_BUFFER (data)]

;-)
Pekr
23-Sep-2012
[2056]
that's weird, imo REBOL should not allow that at all - confusing 
...
Henrik
23-Sep-2012
[2057]
it's not different than [][][] vs. [] [] []
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2058x4]
I bet Carl done it specifically to allow such syntactic construction 
for dialects without having to drop down to string! preprocessing.
...or maybe it's just an auto-corrective feature of LOAD that comes 
handy for dialects. ;-)
I've chosen that syntax to visually distinguish simple defines from 
macro with parameters. But you can write it with a space in between 
if you want, no problem.
So, in the context of Red/System, it's less confusing that way.
Arnold
23-Sep-2012
[2062]
Pekr maybe try this instead of with 1 2 3 4 5 
>> GET_BUFFER: [a b c d e]
== [a b c d e]
>> data: 4
== 4
>> GET_BUFFER(data)
== 4
>> GET_BUFFER/:data  
== d
>> GET_BUFFER/(data)
== d
Marco
23-Sep-2012
[2063]
@Doc I want the trivial tasks not non-trivial ones ! I am not an 
expert.
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2064x2]
I don't see currently any trivial task that could speed up the progress 
of Red, unfortunately, all the tasks in the Roadmap are non-trivial. 
If I stumble upon some non-coding task that can be outsourced, I 
will contact you.
Ah, there's maybe something that you could do: I need to port my 
current Red test script in Quick-Test (QT) form. I can send you the 
script (very very simple) and the expected unit tests format used 
by QT, you would just have to convert it and check if all tests are 
reported as passing in QT...it's not a big task, but you will save 
me some time for advancing on the code. Interested?
Arnold
23-Sep-2012
[2066]
special group for posting small Red tasks?
Kaj
23-Sep-2012
[2067]
Checklist
Arnold
23-Sep-2012
[2068]
these are the chances to pull some aboard
Kaj
23-Sep-2012
[2069]
Yeah, otherwise they will drown ;-)
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2070]
The ticket system in Github could be used for storing tasks too (we 
would just need a new tag).
GrahamC
23-Sep-2012
[2071]
You would qualify for a free license for http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/overview
but the software is quite "big"
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2072]
There are lot of online tools for software project management. Maybe 
picking one could help better organize Red's development...thanks 
for the suggestion, I will look into it.
GrahamC
23-Sep-2012
[2073x2]
how to get a free license for any of their listed products http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request
And looks like they'll even host it for you gratis
Henrik
23-Sep-2012
[2075]
DocKimbel, we're testing Trello at Saphirion right now. It seems 
to work pretty well.
DocKimbel
23-Sep-2012
[2076]
The main feature that would be needed in such tool is close integration 
with a git repo or directly with github.
Henrik
23-Sep-2012
[2077]
ok, Trello is probably not useful, unless there is a plugin.
GrahamC
23-Sep-2012
[2078]
https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.atlassian.jira.plugins.bitbucket