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Kaj 22-Sep-2012 [2033] | ? |
Henrik 22-Sep-2012 [2034] | It just obligates you to advertise the author |
Kaj 22-Sep-2012 [2035x2] | http://openssl.org/source/license.html |
3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this * software must display the following acknowledgment: * "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project * for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org/)" | |
Henrik 22-Sep-2012 [2037] | well, it's not the same software, but I couldn't care less, if we had to credit Elmer Fudd, just as long as we have something that works. |
DocKimbel 22-Sep-2012 [2038] | I don't think that all future Red users will be pleased to have to provide a long list of advertisement with all their apps, just because Red uses 3rd-party libs underneath. |
Kaj 22-Sep-2012 [2039] | Henrik: something that works. I don't know what you want to use SSL/SSH for, but Red/System has a cURL binding. cURL usually uses OpenSSL and does most things you would want to do with SSL and SSH |
Pekr 22-Sep-2012 [2040] | Kaj - the last thing I want is to have to distribute Curl with each Red script. How big is the Curl library? Even tens of KB is too much ..... |
Kaj 22-Sep-2012 [2041] | cURL is included in almost all open source based operating systems, including OS X |
GrahamC 22-Sep-2012 [2042] | If your software advertises the use of SSL, then you need to mention authorship. If you don't advertise, you don't need to mention it. |
Kaj 22-Sep-2012 [2043] | If you say your software is safe, that would already trigger it |
Arnold 23-Sep-2012 [2044] | Better credit Elmer Fudd than *Bugs* Bunny :) |
Henrik 23-Sep-2012 [2045] | Kaj, ok... why is it always licensing that stops good development... |
Pekr 23-Sep-2012 [2046] | I don't understand following syntax - is that just a word? s: GET_BUFFER(data) |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2047] | That is the same reason why we adopted BSL for Red/System runtime code instead of BSD-3. |
Pekr 23-Sep-2012 [2048] | does not look like a rebol syntax :-) |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2049] | Still, it is valid REBOL syntax. ;-) |
Pekr 23-Sep-2012 [2050] | Well, Rebol/Red headers are extensible. Is that really a problem to have a 'credit or 'licence field, and mention authors of particular components? |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2051] | You have to make it visible to end users. |
Pekr 23-Sep-2012 [2052x2] | Then I am dumb - R2 does not allow being it a word, nor is it a function ... so, what's that? Well, some tests, uh, surprised :-) >> GET_BUFFER: [1 2 3 4 5] == [1 2 3 4 5] >> GET_BUFFER: [1 2 3 4 5](escape) >> data: 4 == 4 >> GET_BUFFER(data) == 4 >> GET_BUFFER/:data == 4 |
As for end user visibility, I can imagine one common place to have it - Menu/About dialog, credits section. But, what about apps without the GUI, right? | |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2054x2] | It can be a CREDITS file distributed with your app. |
>> [GET_BUFFER(data)] == [GET_BUFFER (data)] ;-) | |
Pekr 23-Sep-2012 [2056] | that's weird, imo REBOL should not allow that at all - confusing ... |
Henrik 23-Sep-2012 [2057] | it's not different than [][][] vs. [] [] [] |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2058x4] | I bet Carl done it specifically to allow such syntactic construction for dialects without having to drop down to string! preprocessing. |
...or maybe it's just an auto-corrective feature of LOAD that comes handy for dialects. ;-) | |
I've chosen that syntax to visually distinguish simple defines from macro with parameters. But you can write it with a space in between if you want, no problem. | |
So, in the context of Red/System, it's less confusing that way. | |
Arnold 23-Sep-2012 [2062] | Pekr maybe try this instead of with 1 2 3 4 5 >> GET_BUFFER: [a b c d e] == [a b c d e] >> data: 4 == 4 >> GET_BUFFER(data) == 4 >> GET_BUFFER/:data == d >> GET_BUFFER/(data) == d |
Marco 23-Sep-2012 [2063] | @Doc I want the trivial tasks not non-trivial ones ! I am not an expert. |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2064x2] | I don't see currently any trivial task that could speed up the progress of Red, unfortunately, all the tasks in the Roadmap are non-trivial. If I stumble upon some non-coding task that can be outsourced, I will contact you. |
Ah, there's maybe something that you could do: I need to port my current Red test script in Quick-Test (QT) form. I can send you the script (very very simple) and the expected unit tests format used by QT, you would just have to convert it and check if all tests are reported as passing in QT...it's not a big task, but you will save me some time for advancing on the code. Interested? | |
Arnold 23-Sep-2012 [2066] | special group for posting small Red tasks? |
Kaj 23-Sep-2012 [2067] | Checklist |
Arnold 23-Sep-2012 [2068] | these are the chances to pull some aboard |
Kaj 23-Sep-2012 [2069] | Yeah, otherwise they will drown ;-) |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2070] | The ticket system in Github could be used for storing tasks too (we would just need a new tag). |
GrahamC 23-Sep-2012 [2071] | You would qualify for a free license for http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/overview but the software is quite "big" |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2072] | There are lot of online tools for software project management. Maybe picking one could help better organize Red's development...thanks for the suggestion, I will look into it. |
GrahamC 23-Sep-2012 [2073x2] | how to get a free license for any of their listed products http://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request |
And looks like they'll even host it for you gratis | |
Henrik 23-Sep-2012 [2075] | DocKimbel, we're testing Trello at Saphirion right now. It seems to work pretty well. |
DocKimbel 23-Sep-2012 [2076] | The main feature that would be needed in such tool is close integration with a git repo or directly with github. |
Henrik 23-Sep-2012 [2077] | ok, Trello is probably not useful, unless there is a plugin. |
GrahamC 23-Sep-2012 [2078x3] | https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.atlassian.jira.plugins.bitbucket |
Auto-sync Git and Mercurial repositories from Bitbucket and/or GitHub This add-on is turned on by default for Atlassian On-Demand customer | |
Are there any guides on how to use these various bindings for red/system? | |
Kaj 23-Sep-2012 [2081x2] | Not really, but for the cURL binding you could refer to my documentation for the R3 binding: |
http://rebol.esperconsultancy.nl | |
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