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[#Red] Red language group
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Pekr 26-Sep-2012 [2316x2] | Console scheme? We will have console? :-) |
Nice though, I always liked schemes like console://, clipboard://, those were just under-utilised imo :-) | |
DocKimbel 26-Sep-2012 [2318] | Of course, as soon as it will be possible to make Red work in a console. |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2319] | Can we call it E: like on my Atari 8-bit? ;-) |
Arnold 26-Sep-2012 [2320] | That would give a little showcase to Red. Pls do not feel pushed Doc! One fool can ask more than ten wise men can answer ;-) |
DocKimbel 26-Sep-2012 [2321] | What was the Amiga device name for that? CON:? |
Pekr 26-Sep-2012 [2322] | yes |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2323] | If it was like DOS :-S |
Pekr 26-Sep-2012 [2324] | I just got an idea - we will reimplement Amiga OS in a modern way :-) |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2325] | Been doing that for a decade |
Arnold 26-Sep-2012 [2326] | :D |
Pekr 26-Sep-2012 [2327] | Will we also have a system object structure? I liked lurking in the internals of REBOL in initial days :-) |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2328] | Already in Red/System |
GrahamC 26-Sep-2012 [2329] | Addimg CGI support early would be good ... for online demos |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2330] | You can do it in Red/System |
DocKimbel 26-Sep-2012 [2331x2] | Without proper internal sandboxing, you certainly wouldn't want to give open access to anyone for running Red (and even worse Red/System) code on your server. |
Once again, the best option for such live demos is adding a thin Red emulation layer on top of Topaz. | |
Kaj 26-Sep-2012 [2333x2] | On TryREBOL it's no problem. I've been giving the world a gaping hole into our server for three years now. It was a test, and people tried to break it, but they never got in |
CGI is based on the same principle. It's supposed to be a gateway from a Unix web server to a Unix file system, so you can secure it with operating system tools | |
GrahamC 26-Sep-2012 [2335] | I think you'd run it on your own server ... |
Gregg 26-Sep-2012 [2336] | Just skimming this group. Exciting to see so much going on here. |
Arnold 27-Sep-2012 [2337] | Adding CGI would be good for online demo's? Well for building web-sites too! Finally drop php. |
Oldes 27-Sep-2012 [2338] | Aren't you using Doc's Cheyenne server? ;-) |
Arnold 27-Sep-2012 [2339x2] | Unfortunately my websitehoster has a plesk system with Apache on it. I managed to have REBOL CGI working on it. It will process .r .rsp files. |
Having more freedom often means to pay more | |
Kaj 27-Sep-2012 [2341] | Or run your own server |
Oldes 28-Sep-2012 [2342] | or local server which generates static content for your public server hosting |
Kaj 28-Sep-2012 [2343] | I do that, too, but there's no CGI there, then |
Pekr 28-Sep-2012 [2344] | Doc, with recent discussions about Unicode, I wonder if we will have strong binary type, and myriads of to-* REBOL-like functions for various conversions between the types? |
DocKimbel 28-Sep-2012 [2345] | Pekr: there's only one TO native, all the to-* functions are just handy wrappers. How would you suggest datatype conversions be handled instead? |
Pekr 28-Sep-2012 [2346] | dunno. Just want to avoid R2 mess with binary vs string conversion, etc. |
BrianH 28-Sep-2012 [2347] | We did a lot in R3 to clean up binary vs. string conversion. There's probably more work to do, but it's a good start. |
Pekr 28-Sep-2012 [2348] | I know, so I hope Red follows R3 model :-) |
BrianH 28-Sep-2012 [2349] | The one thing R3 was bereft in was custom conversion functions. We had some ideas, but for the most part didn't get around to implementing them. |
Pekr 28-Sep-2012 [2350] | do you mean codecs? |
BrianH 28-Sep-2012 [2351] | Well, that too, but I more meant a better replacement for that awkward struct! conversion hack in R2. |
DanielN 29-Sep-2012 [2352] | Hello, I want to use a local database whith no concurency for aor the moment I see ndb indexed btree from Dockimbel, another alternative is possible and what ca be used with the future red ? |
Pekr 29-Sep-2012 [2353] | at the moment there is a Red/System binding to SQLite. But that's for Red/System. I would probably wait, till higher level Red is more feature complete in upcoming 2-3 months ... |
DocKimbel 29-Sep-2012 [2354] | Daniel: welcome! The best choice so far would be SQLite for such usage. We might reuse lower level parts of SQLite to build our own storage system specifically designed for Red. |
Pekr 29-Sep-2012 [2355] | Yes, SQLite is a good candidate for that imo. Right licence, relatively small, performance is good. |
DanielN 29-Sep-2012 [2356] | OK, and also dispo in android I think and bbrerry os... |
Pekr 29-Sep-2012 [2357] | well, as for BB 10 - we should get there imo - QNX based, old Amiga friends :-) And maybe it is good to support lower market, than crowded iOS developer's base? We will see ... |
DanielN 29-Sep-2012 [2358] | That will be very good, shure ! :) |
DocKimbel 29-Sep-2012 [2359] | We'll spread wherever possible! :-) |
BrianH 29-Sep-2012 [2360] | If you're thinking of adapting the lower levels of SQLite for our use, start with SQLite 4. It's much better suited for that kind of thing. |
Kaj 29-Sep-2012 [2361] | What's the status of that? |
BrianH 29-Sep-2012 [2362x4] | All I know is here: http://www.sqlite.org/src4/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki |
I suspect that it's in alpha. Still, just due to the system structure, even an alpha version would be easier to adapt than the stable SQLite < 4. | |
It is structures as a NoSQL-style key/value store with a SQL engine on top. We can put our own engine on top. | |
We might even be able to implement the API that the storage engines plug into, which would allow us to use the storage engines unchanged. | |
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