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[#Red] Red language group

DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2682x5]
OpenCL is certainly a quicker way to access it. My plan for direct 
GPU access is not only motivated by speed gains, but also by reducing 
complexity, having a simple, lightweight access to GPGPU capabilities.
Also, for direct GPU access, it will only be doable for GPU that 
have all the required specification published (unless drivers provides 
the right API already).
I know the french guy who used OpenCL to automatically parallelize 
some iterators for Scala, so it's definitely something I want to 
try for Red:
 
http://code.google.com/p/scalacl/
(I'm trying to compile Insight debugger on the RPi, compiling since 
half an hour...hope it will finish before tonight)
Ah, of course it ends up earlier with an obscure compilation error...
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2687]
I haven't isolated any callback case yet, but the existing cases 
don't actively use floats
Gerard
14-Oct-2012
[2688]
Thanks Doc - I know your way is the best you can choose for fine 
tuning GPU access without adding much overhead !
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2689x2]
Kaj: I've pushed a fix for ARM that should improve the stability, 
can you do some quick tests to see if some of the issues are fixed?
cURL example script still crashing...
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2691x2]
OK
I've added preliminary support for 64-bits integers to the SQLite 
binding. They're represented by a float! so they can be passed around, 
but they're hard to compute with
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2693x2]
Ok, it seems we'll have to return to an explicit callback declaring 
syntax. In cURL, the callbacks passing (get-word! syntax) occur after 
the callback declaration, so when the compiler is creating the callback 
prolog, it has no way to guess that this particular function will 
be used as callback later....
We already have discussed this in the tracker, but I can't find the 
related tickets...
Andreas
14-Oct-2012
[2695]
I also seem to remember this. Maybe it was the problem behind this:
https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/issues/204
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2696x6]
#204: that's the one I would have loved to see documented ;-)
I think #193 might be the closest.
Ok, I think I see where lies the issue in the compiler.
The compiler is using two ways to encode the fact that a function 
is used as a callback:

- through the CDECL attribute presence (destined to be called by 
external code)

- through the internal CALLBACK flag that is assigned to all functions 
that get their pointer passed as argument (get-word! syntax).
Somewhere in the compiler, these two conventions are conflicting...let 
see if I can fix that without having to change anything to the current 
semantics.
Kaj: your code is ok, as long as it sets CDECL for marking functions 
called by external libs.
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2702x2]
I should be doing that everywhere
Normally a function can't be used before it's defined. How could 
I pass a pointer to a function that's not defined yet?
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2704x5]
It can if called from the body of another function.
(IIRC)
Function's body compilation is deferred. During global code compilation, 
only functions prototypes are collected, so all functions are known 
before the first function body gets processed.
That approach allow to solve cross-reference issues.
Basically, Red/System compiler is doing automatically what C compiler 
requires you to do manually (i.e. specifying function prototypes 
separately in headers).
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2709x3]
So there is no forced function order?
When I put one of the cURL callbacks behind the function that uses 
it, the code size increases by four bytes, even for Intel. But when 
I then remove the [cdecl] it goes back to the original size
The stack fix has degraded the behaviour. I now get an access violation 
on all programs
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2712x12]
I'm working on it, the fix is fine, but it seems it doesn't work 
with __libc_start_main call (and only that one).
It's like this call doesn't respect the ARM EABI...
I will push the fix for callbacks correct prolog/epilog generation 
in a minute.
Fix pushed.
cURL binding should now work correctly (except the ending segfault 
caused by bad libc init call...I'm working on it).
Ok, this time, it's the good one :-)
(A bad copy/paste earlier changed the position of the first fix before 
I commited it, libc init is fine).
Both cURL and SDL audio test are now working fine on my RPi.
BTW, I've also applied the same fix for callbacks on IA-32 backend, 
so retesting all bindings on Linux/Intel would be needed.
Kaj: I can't find the URL for Glib repo?
Ok, found it, it's "GLib"...
PeterPaint-SDL demo works on RPi now.
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2724]
That already worked :-)
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2725]
Ah! :)
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2726]
The URL for GLib is Red-GLib
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2727x2]
For GTK demos, I get an Xlib error: 

Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1:0"
I'm now running my RPi headless and using it remotely through VNC 
and ssh. Maybe the error is related to that?
Kaj
14-Oct-2012
[2729x2]
Could be, although it's also possible that the RANDR extension is 
really not there, because it seems to fix its screen resolution, 
needing its own utility to change it
Doesn't seem like it should influence GTK, though
DocKimbel
14-Oct-2012
[2731]
Hmm, there are some bug tickets about that (old ones): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/157319