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Kaj 13-Mar-2013 [6333] | Thanks, glad you like it :-) |
Paul 13-Mar-2013 [6334] | I do. Good work! |
Kaj 13-Mar-2013 [6335] | The upcoming release will be quite recommendable, both the compiler and the interpreter. Until now, only Red/System was ready for real use |
Paul 13-Mar-2013 [6336] | Yes, I'm more exited about Red these days then REBOL open source. |
DocKimbel 14-Mar-2013 [6337] | Thank you Paul! As you've seen, we are working hard to make our dreams come true. :-) |
Paul 14-Mar-2013 [6338] | :-) |
Arnold 14-Mar-2013 [6339] | Phone company in Holland has launched new mobile service. "All you need is Red". http://www.vodafone.nl/Red |
DocKimbel 14-Mar-2013 [6340x4] | I can't agree more. ;-) |
Interesting, they also copied our 3-layer tower concept...;-) | |
I've found out an annoying bug in the way the interpreter sets the stacks layout for function/native calls with refinements presented in arbitrary order, it results in assigning the wrong arguments to refinements in some cases (caught by 3 unit tests only). I've worked most of the day on changing the way function/native calls are handled by the interpreter to get it right in all cases this time. I hope to finish it for tomorrow. | |
The right and efficient handling of refinements is really one of the most difficult parts in making a Rebol language interpreter/compiler. | |
Gregg 14-Mar-2013 [6344] | Keep good notes, so you can write designer's notes for future implementors. :-) |
DocKimbel 15-Mar-2013 [6345x2] | I'm not sure yet what the optimal way would be for runtime refinements evaluation, I've used a bitfield-based caching method in R-sharp to pay the full cost on first evaluation only. I'll try to implement a similar method for Red interpreter later. For the Red compiler, the cost is paid once only during compilation, there is no specific runtime overhead. |
I could write a book about designing and implementing a Rebol-like language, counting R#, I've implemented two interpreters and one compiler. I've also implemented a partial Rebol in Rebol interpreter five years ago (never published), mainly aiming at providing step-by-step and stop/restart evaluation features for debugging purposes. But my first tests showed that it was running about 50 times slower than R2 itself, so unusable for real code. | |
Gregg 15-Mar-2013 [6347] | Once you have free time, that will be a great project. Until then, just keep good notes while you work. :-) |
Arnold 15-Mar-2013 [6348] | My progress on the Red/System random function. I tried to have an a declaration of an array as a import, but that failed because is was to be declared at runtime so the array was missing at compiletime. Yep it is not Rebol. |
Kaj 15-Mar-2013 [6349] | Does the interpreter need to exit on a missing function argument, or could it continue with a warning? |
DocKimbel 15-Mar-2013 [6350] | Each interpreter runtime error leaves the stack in abnormal state that can cause random native errors (usually segfaults). As long as we don't have error! implemented, exiting is the safest action. |
Kaj 16-Mar-2013 [6351] | I removed the browser IDE example from the list of apps on our Redsite, because it is crashed by #428 |
DocKimbel 17-Mar-2013 [6352] | Added REMOVE action, supports any-series! and none! datatypes. |
DocKimbel 18-Mar-2013 [6353] | Curses binding for Red/System released: https://github.com/dockimbel/Red/tree/master/red-system/library/curses Big thanks to Bruno (a new french contributor) for this nice work! |
Kaj 18-Mar-2013 [6354] | Cool, can you use it for the console? |
DocKimbel 18-Mar-2013 [6355x3] | I will certainly for platforms where it is available by default. |
As there's no curses lib provided on Windows by default, the final Red console will need an abstraction layer on top of it. | |
But I won't delay the new release for that. Still a few issues to check and test all on ARM before making the release. | |
Kaj 18-Mar-2013 [6358] | A Red dialect would be nice. Does Bruno have plans for it? |
DocKimbel 18-Mar-2013 [6359x2] | I've told him about it, he will give it a look, but he's not familiar with the way to achieve it with Red/System (I've pointed him to your own work wrt to dialects), and Red is not yet ready for that (routines are not documented at all). |
If you have ideas or help to propose him, feel free to contact him through his github's email: https://github.com/be-red | |
Kaj 18-Mar-2013 [6361x3] | I hardly ever email, but if he has no plans, it would be a nice second backend that I could make for my GUI dialect |
On another note, I see you use first reduce [prin ""] to get an unset! value | |
I think you can just use (). I'm using that in one place | |
DocKimbel 18-Mar-2013 [6364x2] | He's only available on email, he doesn't use any chats or ML. |
Good point, about (). :-) Will change it. | |
Kaj 18-Mar-2013 [6366] | Well, I haven't opened my mail in several months |
DocKimbel 18-Mar-2013 [6367] | :-) |
Kaj 18-Mar-2013 [6368x2] | Bruno's work looks very good |
However, there are no real widgets. I would have to implement them, or a widgets toolkit on top of Curses would have to be bound first. That's a bit too much work for me | |
Endo 18-Mar-2013 [6370] | Curses, very nice work! |
NickA 18-Mar-2013 [6371] | I'm just excited to hear there's a new contributor. Where did he come from? |
Arnold 18-Mar-2013 [6372] | France |
DocKimbel 19-Mar-2013 [6373] | I have fixed a pointer arithmetic bug on ARM backend. Now all Red tests, including interpreter's one are passing (same as for IA-32), console is working fully too. I have a few more tests to add before making the 0.3.2 release tomorrow (finally!). |
Andreas 19-Mar-2013 [6374] | Very cool, congrats Doc! |
DocKimbel 19-Mar-2013 [6375] | Thanks Andreas. :-) |
PeterWood 19-Mar-2013 [6376] | Great !! |
DocKimbel 20-Mar-2013 [6377x2] | Red language factoids by Ohloh (auto-generated): http://www.ohloh.net/p/red-language/factoids#FactoidAgeEstablished |
You can click on the "I use this" button if you have an account at Ohloh. | |
Arnold 20-Mar-2013 [6379] | This is super great news. Please prepare a beginners guide for dummies also, I might need one ;) |
DocKimbel 20-Mar-2013 [6380x2] | Still a bit early for a prime time, as we don't have yet proper errors handling. One thing that would be useful though, for anyone trying Red, would be to dig out Peter's extraction scripts from the repo (in /docs), update/enhance them if needed and make a nice CSS for displaying the resulting list of actions/natives/mezz. Anyone? |
PRIN/PRINT now do an implicit REDUCE of their argument. Internally, it does a `reduce/into` to re-use the same block buffer each time, diminishing significantly the stress on the memory manager. | |
AdrianS 20-Mar-2013 [6382] | Just noticed the Tower of Hanoi as an activity indicator in the top right, on Ohloh - appropriate? http://www.ohloh.net/p/red-language |
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