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Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7171x3] | Doc, great; that will open up many more possibilities |
Petr, it will make the R3 bridge available for other platforms than Windows | |
It will also allow writing shared libraries for R2 for other platforms than Windows | |
DocKimbel 23-Apr-2013 [7174] | Question: does a Linux shared library need to call __libc_start_main() or can it assume safely that this will be done by the host app? |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7175] | Seeing how much trouble we had forcing us to call the C library setup in Red programs, I think libraries donīt need to do it, but thatīs conjecture |
Andreas 23-Apr-2013 [7176x2] | Nope, a lib must not this. |
Sorry, that came out incoherent: a library does not need to call __libc_start_main. | |
DocKimbel 23-Apr-2013 [7178x2] | Good! |
I'm doing some changes in the exit sequence of Linux/Syllable executables. Currently, the Red main() passed to __libc_start_main was never returning as it was calling exit(). I'm changing that now to give the libc a chance to call its .fini routines and let it handle the exiting. | |
Arnold 23-Apr-2013 [7180] | About the relative path, that was possible. Indeed. The Rebol console changed the path a few times so i needed to change it accordingly, but after that it was reusable. |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7181] | Are you talking about compiling Red or Red/System? |
Arnold 23-Apr-2013 [7182x2] | I posted "my" "random" program via the Red mailinglist. It seems to work, but I really wonder how this is possible, maybe because the same or other memory is allocated. |
Red/System | |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7184] | Odd, I canīt use ./ paths from the working directory |
Arnold 23-Apr-2013 [7185] | I used relative paths ../../red-ownscripts/ |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7186] | ./ is a relative path |
Arnold 23-Apr-2013 [7187x2] | On Windows 7 not on macosx |
And my Red is a couple of weeks old. | |
Andreas 23-Apr-2013 [7189] | ./something paths work for me, on Linux. |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7190] | From a separate working directory? |
Andreas 23-Apr-2013 [7191x2] | That's indeed still partially broken (completely in Red/System, for -o in Red). Thanks for reporting. |
I'll push a fix shortly. | |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7193] | Thanks! |
Andreas 23-Apr-2013 [7194] | Pushed. If you give it a try, please let me know if it works for you as well. |
Kaj 23-Apr-2013 [7195] | Iīll have a go tomorrow |
PeterWood 23-Apr-2013 [7196x3] | Did you run the tests before pushing the commit Andreas? I now have a few failing Red/System tests. I'm in the middle of writing some tests and need to get those commitable before I can take a look. |
From a quick look your commit has changed the default for red/system so that executablles are now built in the current working directory rather than the builds directory. | |
Quick-Test is built to handle the previous behaviour so is broken at the moment. | |
Arnold 24-Apr-2013 [7199] | (@Kaj your apostrophe is a Yen sign in my AltME on Mac) |
PeterWood 24-Apr-2013 [7200] | Being written in REBOL/View, ALTME encodes characters in the Windows codepage under Windows, MacRoman under OS X and UTF-8 (I think, it may be ISO-8859-1) under Linux. So if you use any character other than standard ASCII characters, it will appear differently on differnet systems. |
DocKimbel 24-Apr-2013 [7201x3] | Andreas: watch out for regressions, this is a sensitive feature as it affects everything else: test suite, my own local tests scripts, Red compilation toolchain, documentation on github homepage, etc... |
Such kind of change needs to be coordinated. | |
FYI, my plan is to get rid of %rsc.r and merge its features to %red.r (deciding on the compiler to use based on input script header). The %red.r front-end is smarter and able to better handle relative paths. | |
Andreas 24-Apr-2013 [7204x5] | Unintended regression, sorry. |
Fix coming up in a second. | |
Pushed; sorry for the mess-up. | |
Test suite runs again, relative path handling for explicit output paths (-o) and sources passed to rsc.r should also work. | |
And w/o an explicit output path, builds are again stored in the builds/ directory. | |
Pekr 24-Apr-2013 [7209] | watching pic-emitter Commits section - Doc, you are a coding hurricane :-) I can smell first shared library generated by Red coming over the weekend :-) |
DocKimbel 24-Apr-2013 [7210] | I hope it won't take me that much time. ;-) |
PeterWood 24-Apr-2013 [7211] | Thanks Andreas |
Pekr 24-Apr-2013 [7212] | +1 for the merge of %rsc.r into %red.r . Never liked the name %rsc.r |
Kaj 24-Apr-2013 [7213] | Arnold, Iīm on a new Linux installation set to dead keys, so itīs manipulating quotes and such. I guess I canīt keep up that experiment |
Henrik 24-Apr-2013 [7214] | So, what's the prospect for getting Red/System running on a Parallella? |
DocKimbel 24-Apr-2013 [7215] | Pekr: %rsc.r, like it or not, the naming scheme was following the usual conventions for naming compiler launchers, maybe you would have preferred %red-system-compiler.r? |
Pekr 24-Apr-2013 [7216] | I would prefer it would not exist. I find "do/args %rsc.r "-v 5 %tests/hello.reds"" still being rather cryptic and I hope everything gets replaced, once we get red.exe? |
DocKimbel 24-Apr-2013 [7217x2] | Parallella: Red should be able to run on it from day one as we already support their system (Ubuntu/ARM). For the risc chips cluster (Epiphany), simply making a Red/System backend for them would not be enough to leverage the computing power. We would probably need some new abstractions at Red level, specific new natives in Red or even dialects to take real avantage of it. For example, we could have a MapReduce native support in Red that would delegate execution to such kind of cluster (there are other competing hardware products in that area). |
Pekr: you understand that building Red is not going from 0.0 to 1.0 in one step? So, like in any other long ang complex building processes, you have intermediary building steps and states that are not necessarily representative of the final product. Think of a house in construction with scaffoldings, you don't point at the scaffoldings saying that the house will look horrible. | |
Kaj 24-Apr-2013 [7219x2] | I've found a nice keyboard configuration that seems to do everything I want |
Petr, there's already a red.exe in my downloads; just not a compiler, but the interpreter :-) | |
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