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@james_nak : this is exactly what I get on my Galaxy tab 10.1 and 
I suspected it was not correctly executing since I doubt it is doing 
what is expected - even if I don't really know about the app !

@Doc : Can you tell us what was really expected as the normal behaviour 
for this Hello.apk app ?

before Doc does so, I expect him to release some new improved version 
:-)

@Gerard, you make me very curious to what you expected Hello.apk 
should do. I think it plays a Lionel Richie song! ;)

@Arnold and Pekr : What is the current behaviour of the Hello.apk 
? I thought it was displaying some welcome msg and then askin for 
some input before disappearing gracefully. Now on my machine a while 
screen is displayed with a "Hello" as its window name and nothing 
else is going on.... For the previous Red/System Hello, something 
almost similar was going on too. So it's not for the Red part fault 
but it is due to the lower layer ... I knew this but I can't diagnose 
what ios coming myself as I'm missing some vital knowlwdge here to 
be really helpful to debug anything ... on my own - sorry for having 
acquired some product in the first pioneers just to test how this 
kind of product was running on Android. I required some Flash and 
my Apple products just could'nt do it - but my tablet Android tablet 
was much slower on display than my iDevices. Hope that under Red 
and Red/System there will be some products running at full speed 
- if not I plan to let it go at a real bargain price very soon ... 
to get some more powerful device ASAP.

When I talk about spped it's related to display and GUI ...

Gerard - don't know, my HTC phone is being in the repair centre (touch 
layer not working) - just today received sms, that is it ready. I 
will have it back over the weekend ...

Now on my machine a while screen is displayed with a 
Hello" as its window name and nothing else is going on...."


Gerard, that's exactly what the current hello.apk is supposed to 
do.

OK, thanks. That's all I needed to know.

Me too - thanks Andreas - So I regretfully missed the point basing 
my view on the previous Red/System Hello.apk. - Really Sorry Doc 
for this misconception. Just thinking that I should have looked at 
the source code instead of being like a blind - asking unuseful questions. 
I'll take note as to not disturbing anybody in this way in the future....

This is what you should get when running hello.apk: http://static.red-lang.org/hello-droid.png

Just in case: I don't see the "Hello Android World from Red!" text 
on a Nexus 4.

Only Hello on windows name on  Notus II too

Notus = Galaxy Note II

@Doc : So the text msg is really missing - only the Window's name 
is appearing on my device - Phew !!! I was not disrturbing you for 
nothing at least! Hope the last log results could help a bit - but 
don't stress too much if your time is limited (rare) and I suppose 
it is .... thanks for the screen capture you sent.

This fact seems to show that Samsung really is doing things in a 
non standard way ... at a very low level may be !!!

And for most of their devices based on Android - or may be the same 
chipset - but I don't really know about the specific internals... 
of their devices !

How hard would it be to have Red generate .SYS Windows drivers?

Gerard, it's most probably a faulty apk, we'll see with the next 
demo.

SYS: It seems that not much is required to add to the PE file itself, 
I see no additional sections needed. However, it requires a proper 
checksum in the header. That checksum is either calculated using 
Windows API or the algorithm could be implemented directly in Rebol. 
In the first case, it shouldn't take more than an hour to add support 
to it, in second case a day or two. The main issue would be to find 
a simple way to test it once generated? Any idea?

Andreas: was your Nexus4 running 4.2.2?

Nenad, I only had the window title as well, on the Galaxy Nexus with 
4.2.2 - thought that was all that was expected.

I just tested the hello.apk (downloading from the Red site) on an 
emulated 4.2.2 and it works fine. So, it looks like the Android emulator 
is not as reliable as it seems.

Gerard, found the native crash dump info in your log file, thanks! 
We'll give it another try with the new bridge version once ready 
(this week).

Thanks Doc.

I have an example Windows driver that would be interesting to port 
to Red/System, so that could be a test case

I guess a 32 bit driver wouldn't work on 64 bit Windows?

Hmm, I'm not sure.

It would be great if it would; then I could surely use the Red route

I wonder how do you make the testing process simple and straighforward 
for a Windows driver.

The driver I inherited is a simple file filter driver, so it fits 
in the existing Windows infrastructure and it could potentially be 
almost empty

I'm not sure that you can just change a driver file "in place" after 
each recompilation. I'm wondering if you need to deinstall the old 
one and install the new one each time...

I suppose you need to reboot Windows. It's not Syllable ;-)

Haha, maybe not to that extent (well, I'm half-joking, for some kind 
of drivers, I would be surprised that is a requirement).

would = wouldn't

According to the documentation, this driver can be deleted and rebuilt 
without rebooting

Is there garbage collection/reuse of series slots? Not series content, 
but their slots in the series pool?

Yes, they use a stack-based allocation system, so each time a slot 
is popped, it becomes available for a new series. But, as series 
are not freed yet, slots are not popped.

Just got my HTC Sensation backk from repair. Droid 4.0.1, hello app 
works nicely ...

Any news around? :-)

No news, I'm still working on the new Android bridge, I've been busy 
most of the week with offline tasks, so I couldn't advance much. 
I finally can focus only on that since this morning, so expect some 
new apk to test by tomorrow.

The random program in Red/System now has the same output as the original 
C version by Donald Knuth.

Next step cleaning up the code and maybe add it to the Red repository.

Nice! How fast does it perform compared to the C version?

ehm both very fast.. timer needed. (cooking now, so will try that 
later.)

Now how to time the script? Red/System and C, the executables have 
a start time in seconds in the terminal logs but that is imprecise 
and there is no endtime just a logout message.

On OS X, there should be a time command in the terminal

Did in a shell the following: 
time C-script
real	0m0.073s
user	0m0.028s
sys	0m0.004s
time Red/System script
real	0m0.059s
user	0m0.039s
sys	0m0.004s

Thank Kaj, found it by myself 
:)

this time ;)