World: r4wp

you know, for our Led screen, I wrapped the dll using r2, red/system 
and world. In fact, it was rather easy to switch. If there is at 
least some level of compatibility, I like the options ...

Red follows the REBOL model, with batteries included, where you need 
a strict standard. Red/System follows the C model, with a small languages 
that needs to be exttended with libraries, and where many C libraries 
are available that can be bound to Red/System

I thonk I would do it even with r3 extensions, but I am just old 
lazy dog :-)

ah, sorry for typos, typing on my htc using teamviewer connected 
to my notebook. So who said alme is not available on your cell phone? 
:-)

You could turn your Red/System binding into an R3 extension

Ah, correct, forgot about that, thsnks for the reminder ...

Fork said, that Carl said, that if he would be about to rewrite Rebol, 
he would took R3 aproach ..

 Fortunately I was there so I can give some contextual information: 
 Fork was saying to Carl his famous quote: "Rebol4 is Red". What do 
 you expect Carl to reply to that? ;-)

I hop Doc is not going to be (de)motivated after ReCode.
 No, it's the opposite in fact. ;-)

Red/System is a dialect of Red meant to address specific needs. You 
should see it as a feature of Red, even if it can be used alone (which 
is kind of side-effect of starting Red project by building R/S first).

Doc and/or Kaj, at what point will we be able to use Red and R/S 
to start things off by programming the MBR and jumping to a Red OS. 
What I am interested in is learning to use Red and R/S to build a 
native O/S from the ground up as this is the best way to truly understand 
computers. Also a PC that is Red and R/S from the ground up is a 
very exciting prospect.

Pekr: "alpha" means "feature-incomplete". See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Alpha


The alpha phase usually ends with a feature freeze, indicating that 
no more features will be added to the software. At this time, the 
software is said to be feature complete.

Why does Carl think you are going to be (de)motivated?

Kensingleton: for writing your own OS, you will need to write a custom 
file emitter for Red/System unless ELF could also be used for that?

Bas: it's just second-hand interpretation of Carl saying that if 
he would be about to rewrite Rebol, he would took R3 approach again.

OK.

Ken, several people seem to want to do that, so it is likely to happen

With EFI you should be able to boot PE executables.

Finally back home, need to upgrade my PC with more RAM and better 
wifi adapter tomorrow, then I'll get back to coding...(I really miss 
coding these last days)

You need more RAM for Red?

Doc: you should consider a 128 GB SSD or at least a hybrid HDD+SSD 
drive from Seagate. That's why that Mac Air was running so fast, 
which you have avoided taking... I just realized 5 minutes after 
you left w Brian that you didn't take it w you... :/

Kaj: He must be upgrading from 4MB to 8MB. ;-)

Just in time for some Red-based immersive 3D games?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1944625487/omni-move-naturally-in-your-favorite-game

I'm upgrading from 3GB to 12GB, I kept having "out of memory" error 
after opening a few dozens web pages and starting some heavy tools 
like Eclipse, Android Emulator or various VM...now I should be able 
to run everything at the same time. ;-)

I'm using only SSD disks since 5-6 years, and HDD only for backups. 
My configuration has one 32GB SSD for OS and one 64GB for VMs. Now 
that SSD prices have dropped significantly, I bought two cheap 128GB 
SSD, so I won't have to fight anymore with disk space for a while.

@onetom: your offer was more than generous, but I couldn't take it, 
you need it too. I'm exchanging it with a few days at your place 
in Hong-Kong in a couple of month if that's fine with you. ;-)

FYI, I should be travelling to China later this year, so I'll try 
to visit PeterWAWood and onetom on the road.

I'll try to have the Android framework ready before going, so I'll 
be able to make some presentations and demos to local Android groups 
wherever I go.

@Doc, What is the next on Red development? New progress plans are 
made on Recode?  In your experience what was the best of Recode?

Playing around with some of the bindings but having difficulty getting 
all the stuff needed to compile. Trying to compile Kaj's webkit gtk 
binding example...any docs around on how do do this stuff?

Its looking for GLib.reds but I do not see that file in the bindings 
links

Alan, here's the link for getting the latest GLib binding from Kaj:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GLib/zip/Red+GLib+Binding-a351576b5f3af0d9.zip?uuid=a351576b5f3af0d9d156dec0dcfadb0a662f5030

You can have a look at the files online here: 
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GLib/dir?ci=tip

thanks

Once we'll be able to encap Red, Kaj should be able to provide unique 
binaries with all bindings included. It will be much easier for testing/evaluating 
purposes.

Very Exciting

Now needs "common/FPU-configuration.reds"

Ah! I remember this one, let me check where it comes from...

Don't look too hard...just playing around here...

I'm multiplexing tasks (as usual). ;-)

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/dir?ci=tip

Direct download:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/zip/Common+Red+Definitions+and+Utilities-51981a6662cdec45.zip?uuid=51981a6662cdec45d0797fddd84945f4029e9637

Compiled! Great, Thanks

If you need the GTK DLLs, you can get them from there:


http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/zip/Red%28System%29+Testing-6a2f49701652c61f.zip?uuid=6a2f49701652c61f108f0f9259827b38d35f6dda

The needed files can be found in directories like
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GTK/timeline
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-common/timeline
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-C-library/timeline
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GLib/timeline

Atm I do not have an exhaustive overview of these, unfortunately 
the directory listing is not available to the general public.
What file is linking to GLib.reds?

Arnold, it is possible to extract such list from this script:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/artifact/9aa61f0739992c5f6374f25cbc390dac9e34bcd2

Oh already answered question, that explains why I had to restart 
AltME. Sorry.

Arnold, wha about the webkitgtk dll?

@Doc, Ah yes indeed the download.r script! I need to try to get that 
working here together with fossil.

@amacleod, your question has been answered to your satisfaction regarding 
10:33. My previous answer was my try to give some extra info on the 
whereabouts of the files that Kaj provided,as he has been away for 
an hour or so. At 10:50 I had not received the posts from 10:05 and 
later.

directories under red.esperconsultancy.nl are according to the script 
download.r:

test common C-library cURL ZeroMQ-binding REBOL-3 Java SQLite SDL 
OpenGL GLib GTK GTK-WebKit OSM-GPS-Map GTK-Champlain 6502

I copied my list from my browser address field history. Should have 
noticed GLib (first I had tried GLIB and found nothing) was the one 
you asked for.

People, no need to do all that manually. Just run the download.r 
with Fossil installed

Also, there are already single binaries with all my bindings included 
for the Red interpreter console:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-test/dir?ci=tip