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[Rebol School] REBOL School
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GrahamC 28-Feb-2013 [1677] | and then remove prot-setnet.r or just add the protocols you need |
caelum 28-Feb-2013 [1678] | Got it! Now I see how it all works and I have 'enface' working on linux. Many Thanks for your help! |
NickA 10-Mar-2013 [1679] | What's the proper (fast) way to do this? REBOL [title: "Anagram List"] a: copy [] mix: func [str prev] [ repeat i length? str [ picked: pick str i rest: head remove at copy str i append a rejoin [prev picked rest] mix rest join prev picked ] ] mix input: ask "Text: " "" editor unique a |
Sunanda 11-Mar-2013 [1680] | Don't know if it is faster or more proper, but it's another way: http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=lexpem.r |
Steeve 11-Mar-2013 [1681] | res: copy [ ] mix: func [str /local i][ if 1 = i: length? str [append res copy head str exit] loop i [ append str str/1 mix next remove str ] ] |
MaxV 11-Mar-2013 [1682x4] | Just use math: a: copy [] mix: func [ myword /local n t] [ n: length? myword t: 1 loop n [ t: n * t n: n - 1 ] while [(length? a) < t] [ append a random myword unique a ] a ] mix "test" editor a |
I think that it's quicker, since you don't mess with series altering, insted you just create mixed words enough to reach the maximum available permutations. | |
For short words... | |
:-P | |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1686x2] | Thank you guys. Steve, that's much quicker. There's no way that succeeds without the exponential increase in evaluation, with each added character? I was hoping there might be some magic to learn... |
Steve, that code doesn't appear to create all the possible anagrams. | |
Steeve 11-Mar-2013 [1688x2] | for instance ? |
/me pouring a glass of whisky | |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1690x2] | REBOL [title: "Anagram List"] a:[]m: func[s p][repeat i length? s[append a rejoin[p k: s/:i r: head remove at copy s i]m r join p k]]m ask""""editor unique a probe length? a a:[]m: func[s /local i][if 1 = i: length? s[append a copy head s exit]loop i[append s s/1 m next remove s]]m ask""editor a probe length? a halt |
Mine is the first one, yours is the second. | |
Steeve 11-Mar-2013 [1692] | can you give a test case where mine is faling ? |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1693] | Try each line above. Mine gives 325 anagrams for "asdfg". Yours is much faster, but only results in 120 anagrams for the same input string. |
Steeve 11-Mar-2013 [1694] | For a 5 letters word, the number of combinations should be 5! (factorial 5) which gives 120. |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1695x3] | never mind - stupid me. didn't count the unique results in mine. |
<-- bows low, and walks away :) | |
I still have the same question though - is there any way to evaluate this without the exponential increase in loop counts? | |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1698x2] | Nick, it would be actually nice if it was just "exponential growth". But the number of permutaions of N elements is N! (N factorial), which grows faster than the exponential function. |
typo: "permutations" | |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1700] | So there's no way of reducing this problem beyond N! ? |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1701x2] | How can you produce N! distinct results without producing N! distinct results? |
(there is no way) | |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1703x3] | I was hoping to discover some ignorance on my part about the problem. |
Thank you for the definitive answer Ladislav, and thanks for the code Steeve | |
(I was hoping that there was perhaps some sort of parallel processing solution or some sort of advanced math magic that I knew nothing about) | |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1706] | Aha, but Steeve's algorithm looks like being slower than O(N!), if I understand it well. |
Sunanda 11-Mar-2013 [1707] | Nick -- sounds like you want an algorithm that, say, returns the next 50 -- that way you can work with a window rather than have to generate all perms in one gulp. Some of the offered solutions should be easily adaptable in that way. |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1708x2] | Ladislav, can you make one which performs faster than Steeve's? Sunanda, paging through windows of is a great way to be practical. I'm more concerned with finding the fastest algorithm - no reason - just frustrated with myself for sitting last night for longer than I wanted with a CS101 type problem ;) |
Just out of curiosity, has anyone written a difinitive article about the performance of various looping structures in REBOL? I remember some discussion about it several years ago, related to how badly REBOL did in the language "shootout" benchmarks (lots of "for'" loops, if I remember correctly). That would be a nice article to have available. | |
GrahamC 11-Mar-2013 [1710] | Nick, the issue is many of the looping constructs were mezzanine... |
BrianH 11-Mar-2013 [1711x2] | For R2: native loops are faster than mezzanine (function) loops, so much faster that their individual differences amongst themselves are almost irrelevant. For R3 all loops are native (except FIND-ALL, temporarily), so the big difference is one-time-per-call bind/copy overhead for binding loops, versus not having that for non-binding loops. |
LOOP is the fastest limited scope loop. | |
NickA 11-Mar-2013 [1713] | I always noticed that Carl used more "while" structures than I w |
BrianH 11-Mar-2013 [1714x4] | For R2 I would use LOOP, REPEAT, FOREACH or WHILE whenever possible. In R3, REPEAT and FOREACH have bind/copy overhead, while FORALL and FORSKIP don't, so the latter can be faster in many cases. WHILE and LOOP are the same in R3 as they were in R2, at least relative to the other native loops. |
FOR has bind/copy overhead in R3 and is a complex mezzanine in R2, so I only use it when it is really appropriate. | |
UNTIL is native in both too, basically a slightly simplified WHILE. | |
R3 is currently missing anything like the feature that made it possible to write really well-integrated mezzanine control structures, instead turning all such control structures into natives. Which was a problem before R3 was open sourced, not as much of one now. | |
Sunanda 11-Mar-2013 [1718] | Nick -- Have you looked at using a variable base algorithm? It may be fast, and it should be amenable to windowing: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Permutations/Rank_of_a_permutation Even if neither, it should be fun to write the script. |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1719] | FOR ... is a complex mezzanine in R2 , with a lot of bugs, I have to add |
BrianH 11-Mar-2013 [1720x2] | Agreed :( |
Do you have a non-buggy version? I'd love to add it to rebol-patches, with your permission. | |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1722x3] | Hmm, I do (I once submitted it to Carl, but he never used it). Nevertheless, in my code I prefer a general loop called CFOR (the name is unfortunate, I must admit). That is what I propose instead since it is both faster and more flexible at the same time. Do you think it makes sense to propose it in the CC? |
Any good idea of a Rebol-compatible name for it? | |
The trouble with FOR is not only that it has bugs. Another problem is that it is incompatible with REPEAT, while assumed to be a generalization of it... | |
BrianH 11-Mar-2013 [1725] | I remember CFOR, it was interesting. It's not FOR compatible though. What I was hoping to put in rebol-patches was a function with the same API as FOR, but without the bugs. Additional functions are great too, but out of scope for the rebol-patches project. |
Ladislav 11-Mar-2013 [1726] | Hmm, I actually do not propose to use my patched FOR since it is extremely slow like the original, I think it would make more sense to use a more REPEAT-compatible version of it, which I do not have now. |
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