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[!REBOL3] General discussion about REBOL 3
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Cyphre 22-Feb-2013 [1058] | just unpack it and copy to <your path to codeblocks>/CodeBlocks/ main dir |
Rebolek 22-Feb-2013 [1059] | Thanks, I will try it |
AdrianS 22-Feb-2013 [1060x2] | Actually, to keep things as simple as possible for people, all you need is Code::Blocks, the CB project file and a slightly modified make-make.r that is soon to be checked in by Andreas (or which I could provide). Then, you can build from CB (and debug), navigate your C source propertly, etc. |
Ping me either here or on SO chat if you would like the two files. | |
GrahamC 23-Feb-2013 [1062x3] | This is a tip for where you have those pesky @s in a username. You still can't get past that by using %40 in a url as Rebol converts those when it evaluates the url but you can do this >> cmd: open decode-url "ftp://user%40rebol.com:[password-:-ftp-:-rebol-:-com]" make object! [ title: "FTP Protocol" scheme: 'ftp ref: [scheme: 'ftp pass: "password" user: "user%40rebol.com" host: "ftp.rebol.com"] path: none host: "ftp.rebol.com" port-id: 21 pass: "password" user: "user%40rebol.com" ] port opened ... |
saves a bit of typing out the whole spec | |
now we just have to add a dehex inside the open port actor | |
Gregg 24-Feb-2013 [1065] | Does the old charset patch no longer work? net-utils/url-parser/user-char: union net-utils/url-parser/user-char make bitset! #"@" |
GrahamC 24-Feb-2013 [1066] | didn't try ... ! |
Rebolek 25-Feb-2013 [1067] | R3 CALL seems pretty useless to me compared to R2. Is there anybody trying to improve it? |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1068x2] | I'm working on it, but only for Posix (Linux/OSX) so far. |
And starting first with the basics I need (/wait + /input /output /error). (So no full scheme & async at the start.) | |
Rebolek 25-Feb-2013 [1070] | Great news, Andreas! Linux is good for me and basic input/output is enough too. Just what I need. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1071] | I discovered some interesting PARSE functionality, which I have not known about before. TO and THRU with integer arguments seem to do absolute positioning: >> parse "abcd" ["abc" to 2 "bcd"] == true Anyone seen this before? I added a CC ticket as a reminder to document it (http://issue.cc/r3/1964) -- if anyone knows about a place where this is documented already, I'd be happy about a pointer. |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1072] | Integers are rule modifiers, so to 2 doesn't actually do anything. In order for that to work you would have to use to quote 2. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1073x2] | Please just check for yourself, it behaves as I describe it above :) |
(And it does so in R2 as well, so I may have picked the wrong group.) | |
Ladislav 25-Feb-2013 [1075] | I suggest to put the documentation to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/REBOL_Programming/Language_Features/Parse/Parse_expressions taking into account that this article strives to be as complete as possible |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1076] | The main problem is that when you pass TO an invalud rule, PARSE doesn't complain, it just ignores the rule as if you didn't write it at all. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1077] | Ladislav: thanks, forgot to list that. And it's at least a place where we can add it right away. |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1078] | I think we have a ticket about that TO error ignoring problem. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1079] | Brian, it's not an error. TO/THRU support integers. |
Rebolek 25-Feb-2013 [1080] | Andreas, you're right! That's a great feature! |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1081x2] | to [2] should work, to 2 shouldn't. |
But when to 2 doesn't work, TO doesn't complain. | |
Rebolek 25-Feb-2013 [1083] | Why it shouldn't work? It's great. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1084] | https://github.com/rebol/r3/blob/master/src/core/u-parse.c#L487 |
Rebolek 25-Feb-2013 [1085] | >> parse "abcdefgh" ["abc" to 2 p: (probe p)] bcdefgh == false >> parse "abcdefgh" ["abc" to 7 p: (probe p)] gh == false |
Maxim 25-Feb-2013 [1086] | Rebolek, unfortunatly, you are mis-using TO. TO is a search. what you are doing is supposed to be done with SKIP |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1087] | Is there a skip operation in PARSE? |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1088] | Maxim: SKIP does relative positioning, TO/THRU do absolute positioning. |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1089x2] | Well, that behavior seems like an undocumented feature. And a useful one :) |
Wait, that's right, 2 skip, not skip 2. | |
Maxim 25-Feb-2013 [1091] | what? heh? yuk. sorry, but how do I then search for integers? |
BrianH 25-Feb-2013 [1092] | to [2] |
Maxim 25-Feb-2013 [1093x2] | I find that becomes quite assymetric in use. if TO is going to change behaviors... relative in some cases and absolute in others... using weird datatype conventions (which seem to be completely different from the rest) then I'd rather have a new Absolute keyword which works just like to on All datatypes. |
just like TO 2 , but on All datatypes. | |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1095] | Only what would `absolute #"a"` mean? |
Gregg 25-Feb-2013 [1096] | Move to Parse if this applies to R2 as well. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1097] | Applies to R2 as well, so let's move to "Parse". |
AdrianS 25-Feb-2013 [1098] | Andreas, did you discover this by just playing with parse or did you read through the source? I wondering if there are other goodies in there. |
Andreas 25-Feb-2013 [1099x2] | Reading the source. |
But this was pretty much the first thing I started looking at, which already lead me down the rabbit hole of testing it in R2 and R3, looking for documentation, filing a documentation request against R3 and discovering and reporting a bug against R3 (and I'll probably continue down the hole and fix that bug). So I didn't get much further towards other goodies, yet :) | |
Scot 25-Feb-2013 [1101] | A worthwhile hole, me thinks. |
Cyphre 26-Feb-2013 [1102] | Guys, was there any discussion about the COMPRESS/DECOMPRESS natives in R3? Do we really need these functions to use some 'custom' compression format that noone in the world uses and when it is based on zlib anyway? Wouldn't be better to change this in R3 and use for example ZIP format? What do you think? I remember Carl saying the custom format is more efficient but I tried to compress couple binary or text files to compare with ZIPped results and I don't see any significant difference that would be worth the current format incompatibility. |
Sunanda 26-Feb-2013 [1103] | Earlier discussion of COMPRESS vs Zlib.....Basically, the two are almost identical already, so it should not take much to make something that is compatible: http://curecode.org/rebol3/ticket.rsp?id=328 |
Henrik 26-Feb-2013 [1104] | I agree that it should be easily compatible with other compression formats, but it does not take much to make it compatible (can be done via a mezz). |
Cyphre 26-Feb-2013 [1105x2] | Sunanda, thanks for the link. |
Henrik, I was more thinking to rip the old zlib code out of Rebol and put there some more actual(or even smaller) implementation (latest zlib or miniz etc.) | |
Pekr 26-Feb-2013 [1107] | maybe, historically, also the licence was a problem? Remember, R3 was not open-sourced back at that time ... |
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