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[!REBOL3] General discussion about REBOL 3
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GrahamC 27-Jan-2013 [909] | For completeness I've asked the question about exporting and private |
BrianH 27-Jan-2013 [910] | SO didn't previously require you to create an account or even provide an email address to answer questions. Since I didn't care about SO, I didn't bother to make an account. Now they require an email address, and use that email address to determine who you are. Creating an account is almost an extra, just a way to give you a nickname and profile info. |
GrahamC 27-Jan-2013 [911x3] | You need a reputation of at least 20 to use the SO chat system ... and with ticks, you're already there. |
with 2 ticks | |
BTW, we are encouraging the use of SO as a help resource for those who won't or can't use Altme | |
BrianH 27-Jan-2013 [914x2] | Yeah, I found that annoying, but I suppose it makes sense. |
Do you want me to edit my answer to include the exporting stuff? I can't really do it in a comment since it would be in the same scale as the original answer. | |
GrahamC 27-Jan-2013 [916] | Edit the answer would be better |
Andreas 27-Jan-2013 [917] | Or ask a separate question. |
GrahamC 27-Jan-2013 [918] | Also, SO has an API so we can potentially grab all the Rebol tagged questions and also host them on rebol.org if we need to. It's not stuck in the SO system |
BrianH 27-Jan-2013 [919x2] | Too late, Andreas, I'm already editing the answer. It makes it easier to keep context this way. |
Done. | |
Chris 27-Jan-2013 [921] | Thanks Brian, good answer! |
GrahamC 27-Jan-2013 [922] | So, should schemes be isolated? |
BrianH 27-Jan-2013 [923x4] | I've never needed to isolate something, so in general no. Most stuff should generally be regular modules or scripts. The rest are special cases. |
I can imagine that if you want to have a module somehow negitiate some passwords and don't want them to leak, or some other security issue, you might want to write the module to be isolated. Also, if Maxim wanted to port slim to R3, or someone wanted to port Qtask (I forgot what it's called now, sorry) or some other code written for Gabriele's PowerMezz modules to R3, they might want to use named, private isolated modules. | |
One interesting use of isolated modules is to use IMPORT/no-share to force a module to load isolated even if it wasn't written for that. This is a way to use modules that are too messily written, that make too many unnecessary changes, and try to limit the mess a bit. | |
negitiate -> negotiate | |
james_nak 30-Jan-2013 [927] | Was there ever a mysql driver for R3? I saw some examples in the "import" docs but the link is not working. |
BrianH 30-Jan-2013 [928] | There's an ODBC driver for R3, at least on Windows. It emulated R2-like port behavior. Can that be used to access mysql? |
james_nak 30-Jan-2013 [929] | According to the mysql ref, yes. Thanks for the tip. |
MaxV 31-Jan-2013 [930] | However, on linux is easy to ovverride any problem using "call", in the end I prefer this way. |
Pekr 31-Jan-2013 [931x2] | Id depends, how fast is CALL, but especially on Linux, there should be very little overhead. E.g. I found out, that PHP, for Unicode conversions, just calls iconv. If you don't call the function in loop, I would go the CALL way, with tiny wrapper parsing results back. But - CALL on R3 misses /output and /wait ... |
We need some bounty to bring R3 CALL on par with R2 :-) | |
AdrianS 31-Jan-2013 [933x2] | Maybe we could see what ist stopping Krzysztof from moving on this issue (which he mentioned he could work on). Possibly if some of the gurus would help him out with some Rebol pointers he could do it. https://github.com/rebol/r3/issues/5 |
I contacted Krzysztof with this idea in mind. | |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [935x2] | wait value /all Waits for a duration, port, or both. Arguments: value [number! time! port! block! none!] Could wait be enhanced to wait for a particular value like unless? |
wait [ port zero? word! ] | |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [937] | You mean waiting for a condition, rather than for a port, time or duration? |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [938] | In addition to |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [939] | Waiting on a block is always "in addition to". I mean, being able to wait on a condition changing, as another wait feature. How would you want this implemented? We don't have write barriers for words (that I know of). WAIT basically works based on signalling events, afaik. Would a port scheme for generic signalling completion of a task do, as long as it's easy enough to do? |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [940x2] | Yes, a port scheme was something I was thinking of |
How does wait on a date! work? is the date checked or is there a signal/event produced on change of system date ? | |
Andreas 31-Jan-2013 [942] | wait does not work with date!, it works with time. |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [943] | Ah... the documentation is a little misleading then http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/wait.html |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [944] | The spec is taken from R3, but the docs for this function haven't been updated from their R2 equivalents. A problem with a lot of the R3 docs, I'm afraid. |
Andreas 31-Jan-2013 [945] | Thanks for reporting Graham, fixed. |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [946] | What is fixed? |
Andreas 31-Jan-2013 [947] | The problem in the documentation you reported earlier. |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [948] | ahh... the old version was caching |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [949x2] | I'm getting metaphorically killed by the FOREACH function blowing a system assertion 1207 periodically. I'm trying to process a couple thousand files and it's dying before it's finished. The script will need to be rewritten to call another R3 instance per file, just to make sure that it completes. |
There's only so much of the process that can be rewritten to uzse FORALL. And of course MAP-EACH is getting hit by the same bug. | |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [951] | which build? |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [952] | Latest from rebolsource, but it also affected alpha 111. |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [953] | and it's not a memory leak? |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [954x2] | I was able to make it last longer by switching some calls from FOREACH to FORALL - I figure it's a context allocation bug. |
I'm going to switch the rest of the code to non-rebinding loops and see if that helps. | |
GrahamC 31-Jan-2013 [956] | Well, that doesn't bode well for long running scrips |
BrianH 31-Jan-2013 [957x2] | Right? Gah! |
And it's an emergency too, we really need that analysis. | |
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