View on 060 Amiga?
[1/11] from: dwhiting::europa::com at: 19-Feb-2001 11:15
Hi all,
I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus.
Whenever I try to start View (version: 0.10.38.1.1) on my 060 (config
below) the sequence is as follows:
1) Recoverable Alert
2) Total Freeze of system
3) Reboots itself
Using Snoopdos, the last thing I see is an open for Topaz 8 font. Trying to
log to RAD: is ineffective, since the RAD: doesn't survive the reboot.
Is this _my_ problem, an OS problem, a Rebol problem ... ???
Config:
OS3.9 (same symptoms when booting under OS3.1)
CMKIII 060/50 64Meg Ram
PIV
TIA,
Dick
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[2/11] from: ddalley:idirect at: 19-Feb-2001 17:19
Hi, Dick:
Welcome back to the REBOLion.
On 19-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Whenever I try to start View (version: 0.10.38.1.1) on my 060 (config
> below) the sequence is as follows:
> 1) Recoverable Alert
> 2) Total Freeze of system
> 3) Reboots itself
...
> Is this _my_ problem, an OS problem, a Rebol problem ... ???
No-one else piped up, so...
I have been able to get View working on my '060, in the past, but I don't use
it - it may be me, but it uses too much graphics RAM and I don't "need" the
GUI. Although I'd love to write a GUI for what I do, unless some-one can
explain how to use it more efficiently without a graphics expander, it may
stay that way for the foreseeable future. I am still a cronic Core REBOL.
> Config:
You have more than enough resources to get it working, but your crashing
experience was not what I saw happen here. Maybe Bo can help.
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[3/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 20-Feb-2001 11:26
On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng
<<quoted lines omitted: 13>>
> TIA,
> Dick
I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz
during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but
watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for
topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for...
ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:CGTriumvirate.font": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/CGTriumvirate.font": OK
ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:CGTriumvirate.otag": OK
ramlib: Loading segmented image "LIBS:bullet.library": OK
ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/if.fnt": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/if.fnt": OK
ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/if.uc": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/if.uc": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/CGTriumvirate.otag": OK
ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:_Bullet_Outlines/CGTriumvirate.type":
OK
ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types": OK
ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet_outlines/CGTriumvirate.type":
OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/plugin.types": OK
ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/plugin.types": OK
Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
defaults to topaz?
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[4/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:04
Hello Dick
On 19-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus.
<<quoted lines omitted: 12>>
> TIA,
> Dick
This is something that Bo/Holger should be able to answer as when I left
Rebol they had an 060 3000.Plus I upgraded SAS to the lastest version so
they may need to recompile for the 060 ?
Regards
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[5/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:12
Hello Carl
On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote:
> On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
>> Hi all,
<<quoted lines omitted: 37>>
> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
> defaults to topaz?
and this is what snoopdos showed here-using latest experimental:
FORM
Count Process Name Action Target Name Options
Res.
----- ------------ ------ ----------- -------
----
1 [5] rebol OpenFont CGTriumvirate.font Size 12
Fail
2 [5] rebol OpenFont CGTriumvirate.font Size 12
Fail
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[6/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:18
Hello Carl
On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote:
> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
> defaults to topaz?
>
Guess I have the same problem here but can not remember where the fonts
prefs is in Rebol/View.
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[7/11] from: dwhiting:europa at: 19-Feb-2001 20:30
Hello Alan
On 19-Feb-01, Alan Crandall wrote:
> This is something that Bo/Holger should be able to answer as when I left
> Rebol they had an 060 3000.Plus I upgraded SAS to the lastest version so
> they may need to recompile for the 060 ?
> Regards
Hopefully one of them will make a comment. YO BO, you there;)
>> I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz
>> during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but
>> watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for
>> topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for...
After multiple attempts, I figured out that the request for topaz was for
the alert.
The last Rebol request is for loading CGTriumvirate 12 which succeeds...then
TOTAL freeze.
> On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote:
>> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> prefs is in Rebol/View.
> Regards
The open fails are no problem, they just mean that you haven't loaded the
CGTriumvirate font previously.
Dick
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[8/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 20-Feb-2001 22:48
It's a longshot, but a while back I had problems with a new version of
View due to using one of the old REBOL icons with it, the
experimentals not coming with icons.
The icon's tooltypes' box was filled with guff and the message "Don't
edit this!" Deleting it all did the trick. (:
On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hello Alan
> On 19-Feb-01, Alan Crandall wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 21>>
> loaded the CGTriumvirate font previously.
> Dick
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[9/11] from: chris:starforge:demon at: 20-Feb-2001 10:21
Carl Read wrote:
> I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz
> during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but
> watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for
> topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for...
>
> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
> defaults to topaz?
Are you using something like MCP's default font override (whcih can
redirect calls to topaz to another font..)?
Chris
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[10/11] from: bo:rebol at: 20-Feb-2001 12:44
Dick,
The problem may be that View is trying to open a window larger than your
available screen size. One thing to try is to make your screen perhaps
1024x768 or put the following in your user.r file:
start-view?: off
If View still crashes after the above is in your user.r file, then we will
have to do some more searching. If not, then the likely problem is
something to do with the initial window that is trying to be opened.
Here is some more info for Amiga users I've posted before. Some of it may
be a little out of date, but overall should be helpful.
REBOL/View for Amiga has a few options not available on other systems due to
the unique nature of the OS.
REBOL/View can be opened on a public screen. In your user.r, change
the following line:
system/view/screen-face/options: []
to something like this:
system/view/screen-face/options: [
exclusive-colors
dither
monochrome
]
Exclusive-colors will open an ASL screenmode requester on systems which support
it (3.0 and higher). If exclusive-colors is specified and the system
doesn't support the ASL screenmode requester, the screenmode can be set
explicitly with the following line:
screen-mode: "NTSC:Hires"
This should be placed directly after EXCLUSIVE-COLORS in the user.r file.
Note that the text following SCREEN-MODE must be the exact text found in the
screenmode requester brought up by the system's SCREENMODE Prefs program.
Additionally, the following should be available now or at some point in the
future:
screen-name: "My REBOL screen"
screen-size: 800x600
The REBOL/View console will be brought up on the regular Workbench screen but
the REBOL/View graphical windows will be brought up on the selected screen.
The selected screen will stay open until the REBOL/View console is exited.
To improve color quality on low-color modes, DITHER can be specified to
allow dithering of the available colors to more closely approximate the true
colors requested by the REBOL/View script.
Sometimes, a grayscale representation is the desired choice for low-color
modes in which case MONOCHROME can be specified.
The built-in DEMO requires a screenmode of approximately 660x420, plus the
amount of offset from the upper left corner of the screen. For users
using NTSC or PAL monitors, it is advisable to select a screenmode and
manually change the size to 800x600 or greater to account for this. If
opening the REBOL window on a Workbench screen, the AUTOSCROLL option in the
SCREENMODE Prefs is a good choice to allow viewing the entire demo.
If an attempt is made to open the demo on a screen which is too small, REBOL
currently may cause the machine to lock up or reboot. This issue is being
addressed.
The DEMO currently requires at least 7MB or more to run on some Amiga system
set-ups. All efforts to reduce the memory footprint are being made for
future versions.
To turn off the demo, enter the following line in your user.r:
start-view?: off
You may also wish to add the following line to your user.r file if you intend
to open REBOL/View windows on the Workbench screen:
system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600
where 800x600 is the resolution of your Workbench screen (modify for your
particular resolution). This will help keep the LAYOUT command from
improperly determining what size to build a dynamic display. This often
leads to improper layout of text in tall vertical columns instead of the
normal horizontal layout.
In order to use the BROWSE command on the Amiga version of View, the OpenURL
library must be installed on your system. OpenURL is a part of OS3.5.
Older versions of AmigaOS can download OpenURL from Aminet.
-Bo
On 19-Feb-2001/11:15:35-8:00, [dwhiting--europa--com] wrote:
>Hi all,
>I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus.
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[11/11] from: deryk:iitowns at: 21-Feb-2001 9:48
[bo--rebol--com] wrote:
[snip, mention about lockup]
Another way to aid would be to run enforcer, mungwall, and sushi (or
ones other faviorite debugging tools) to aid in the location of the
problem, though having a DEBUG compiled binary would help as well..
Deryk
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