just fyi ...
[1/3] from: chris:langreiter at: 12-Feb-2002 0:52
Our users have convinced us that the concept of runtime fee on PC is
the main factor preventing the use of Lisp as a delivery language for
many commercial applications. The burden of royalty fees too often
outweighs the clear technical advantages Lisp has over other development
tools.
says Brigitte Bovy, Xanalys's Product Manager for LispWorks.
http://www.xanalys.com/press3.html
When will REBOL users be able to convince RT that runtime fees are a
thing of the 80s?
Best regards,
-- Chris
[2/3] from: robbo1mark::aol::com at: 12-Feb-2002 3:43
Chris,
Unfortunately / Fortunately depending on your viewpoint REBOL as a technology is controlled
by a single vendor whose commercial imperative is to make money.
That is fine and is their problem / reward, however as you point out sometimes it is
our problem too.
I don't think REBOL users can convince RT Inc. to change their business model or practices,
as the sages have been saying since earliest times "Change must come firstly from within",
with that in mind I don't see any point us bleating about this or other issues.
RT have rightly made their commercial decisions and will succeed or not succeed in the
market place because of those decisions, it's their call.
Mark Dickson
In a message dated Mon, 11 Feb 2002 6:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Christian Langreiter
<[chris--langreiter--com]> writes:
[3/3] from: chris:langreiter at: 12-Feb-2002 14:48
>
>That is fine and is their problem / reward, however as you point out sometimes it is
our problem too.
>
As a "platform vendor", our problems are their problems as well ;-)
Indeed I hope RT makes a lot of money selling those great technologies,
but the specific case of runtime fees is troublesome. There _must_ be
several reasons to abandon it, otherwise practically all publishers of
software development tools wouldn't have done so.
- high burden of administration on developer side and tool company side
- sales figures hard to validate for the tool company
- success is "penalized"
I'd definitely rather pay $1500 for a REBOL Developer's Edition and then
be done with it. I also think, given the enormous amount of competitive
packages out there (be it commercial or free), a DE should be somewhat
more attractive than the current /Encap package is, i.e. a useable /View
Interface Builder would be a necessity.
Just a few thoughts.
-- Chris