Opening a new blog about Rebol?

Hello, I need a suggestion / opinion by you. Currently I have a blog (in italian language) to publish some Rebol news, but more focused on tutorials, tips & tricks, How-to, etc... I think it is interesting. For example I'm using our discusssion to extract useful information and publish them in the blog, like the trick about code optimization. In this way all italian people can gain more knowledge about this beautiful language. It is not very "famous" in Italy :-( I wanted to open a similar blog in english language, by simply translating my articles from italian to english. But since there are several other blogs in english, I don't know if it could be a good idea or not. I wish your opinion. More: do you think that a blog in english language containing tutorial is ok, or for rebol could be better using other tools (wikipedia, true internet site, forum, etc...). I haven't much time, but in order to fill articles in my italian blog ( http://sguish.wordpress.com) I publish solutions, hints, etc... that I find in my real life, or solutions to some problems that other poeple ask. So I use it like a block note, to put solutions found to some specific problems (and sometimes I create full tutorials). Can I have your opinion? Do you think another site could be useful or not for Rebol? Thank you. -- //Alessandro http://sguish.wordpress.com http://laccio.wordpress.com

Hi Alessandro, I don't know if another site is needed, just provide an English version you can get to from the Italian one. -- Gregg

For the first time, that one was my starting point. I wanted to create a blog just to publish news & co, then using a real wiki system (with users/volunteers contribution) in order to collect real-world solutions, solutions to help people to realize programmers to realize real-world applications. Furthermore, I wish to collect some tutorials, tips & tricks, etc... in one single place. In fact, in internet I can find many things about Rebol, but I need to jump here and there to find the solution to a specific problem. Furthermore, it could be a good starting point for user's projects (after SourceFOrge, we could make RebolForge... ;-) It really needs something like that !!) On Nov 7, 2007 5:51 PM, Gregg Irwin <gregg-pointillistic.com> wrote:

> Hi Alessandro, > I don't know if another site is needed, just provide an English > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Alessandro, there is already rebol.org which provides a lot of services I am sure sunanda would already have added anything, if demand where high . but since there is sourceforge, we can use that actually, for the development coordination. sourceforge is neutral a part from the tool license having to be OSL certified. But I say this, and I already have some stuff done for revault which is a library module specific site for rebol. I already have many pages done (including a submission page), and the site visuals are beautifull (I think at least). but recent events in my life are keeping me from putting time on hobby stuff, so ALL my projects are on hold for a month or two still. if you want to help out with revault when I start work on it again, I'd be happy for an extra set of hands. I already have at least one or two volunteers for managing the sites' submissions. -MAx On Nov 7, 2007 5:22 PM, Alessandro Manotti <ale870-gmail.com> wrote:

Any new info/help on rebol is appreciated. I'd say if you can to provide a translation to English.. Alan Macleod

I agree, I think this would be a very good idea. I enjoy reading blogs like these. I am trying to learn REBOL, so the more information in English, the better. It would be interesting to maybe see a Planet REBOL web site one day. A compilation of many different REBOL bloggers. I am a Common Lisp fan and I read http://planet.lisp.org everyday, to give you an example. Just an idea. Paul J. Beel --- Alan <fergus4-bellatlantic.net> wrote:

Thank you for your feedback! Do you think it could be better making a blog or a wiki? On Nov 9, 2007 4:00 AM, Paul Beel <beelboing-yahoo.com> wrote:

> I agree, I think this would be a very good idea. I > enjoy reading blogs like these. I am trying to learn > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

A blog is better for daily-basis, like a newspaper, but the problem is when a blog contains a lot of tutorials, tips & tricks, etc... it could be difficult to find the needed information. On Nov 9, 2007 8:27 AM, Alessandro Manotti <ale870-gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your feedback! > Do you think it could be better making a blog or a wiki? > http://sguish.wordpress.com > http://laccio.wordpress.com

On 07/11/2007, at 17.42, Alessandro Manotti wrote:

> Hello, > I need a suggestion / opinion by you. > or not > for Rebol?

Yes Henrik, I agree with you. Some popular languages have A LOT OF sites dedicated, but everyday many others are created. I think the only problem regarding Rebol popularity is: 1) it is not open source 2) Rebol Technologis (the company) does not make enough publicity, and does not support the people that try to spread the Rebol-word. I asked to a friend of mine to try to use (learn) rebol. She told me (she is a very good programmer) that she does not want to use rebol because... 1) on server-side there are MANY programming languages, and they are all free (and open source), like PHP, Pyhton, Perl, Java, ASP, c#, visual basic#, ruby, etc... So... why paying to use Rebol (since in server side, for example, DB is a must, and one cannot use DB (odbc, oracle, etc,...) if one does not buy command version. 2) client side: it could be great, but GUI is not yet at highest level (it is not the "best of breed"). I think rebol really needs a lot publicity since it is really a great language, but I think Rebol Technologies should have to "help" the people (aka "promote rebol") to use it, with a license that best fits the current market, considerring that their competitors are Python, PHP, M$, Ruby, Java & JavaFX, etc... However, I already saw your blog in the past weeks, and it seems very interesting. Now that I know who are you, I will put a link in my italian blog to your blog. If we link to eachother, we can also help eachother. I would be happy to do that. Great! I'm always available to any kind of collaboration! On Nov 10, 2007 12:49 PM, Henrik Mikael Kristensen <henrik-webz.dk> wrote:

> On 07/11/2007, at 17.42, Alessandro Manotti wrote: > > Hello, > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Alessandro:

> For the first time, that one was my starting point. > I wanted to create a blog just to publish news & co, then using a real wiki > system (with users/volunteers contribution) in order to collect real-world > solutions, solutions to help people to realize programmers to realize > real-world applications. Furthermore, I wish to collect some tutorials, tips > & tricks, etc... in one single place.

Alessandro, I think it is a good idea to use rebol.org, too. It is a lot of work to maintain a website, so why duplicate the effort ? Probably you can tag articles and scripts with "language: Italian" and your website can simply link to the rebol.org pages which are italiano. Anton. Sunanda wrote:

ok, thank you for your precious suggestions! On Nov 12, 2007 3:22 AM, Anton Rolls <anton-wilddsl.net.au> wrote:

> Alessandro, > I think it is a good idea to use rebol.org, too. > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

also, don't forget "the REBOL week" site! its read, liked and linked by Carl on official REBOL sites. it a great first step for getting news about REBOL... when people are out there making it. :-) if its editors get ticks about news going on wrt rebol, they will usually be more enclined to actually build a new issue of it. For my part, I should restart editing during the new year, but I remember that sometimes, feeding news seemed like scraping for articles. give your input about new blog articles on the altme world reserved for this, or post your stuff here will obvious titles. and the great initative led by graham can continue to show how REBOL really is alive. (now back to work! ;-) -MAx On Nov 12, 2007 3:40 PM, Alessandro Manotti <ale870-gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Alessandro, I would like to have few comments to your remarks: Alessandro Manotti napsal(a):

> Yes Henrik, I agree with you. > Some popular languages have A LOT OF sites dedicated, but everyday many > others are created. > I think the only problem regarding Rebol popularity is: > 1) it is not open source >

> 2) Rebol Technologis (the company) does not make enough publicity, and does > not support the people that try to spread the Rebol-word. >

> I asked to a friend of mine to try to use (learn) rebol. She told me (she is > a very good programmer) that she does not want to use rebol because... > for example, DB is a must, and one cannot use DB (odbc, oracle, etc,...) if > one does not buy command version.

> 2) client side: it could be great, but GUI is not yet at highest level (it > is not the "best of breed"). >

> I think rebol really needs a lot publicity since it is really a great > language, but I think Rebol Technologies should have to "help" the people > (aka "promote rebol") to use it, with a license that best fits the current > market, considerring that their competitors are Python, PHP, M$, Ruby, Java > & JavaFX, etc... >

Hello Petr, first of all: thank you for your exhaustive answer. Just a question (since I'm not involved in R3 testing or development, and I cannot follow AltMe discussions, so...) are you a developer, or a Rebol Technologies responsible? I ask this because it seems you talk like a Rebol Tech company member (this is not an abuse, but just an information that I wished to get). But - some ppl preach to open-source as a holy grail. I have one friend,

> who uses REBOL but constantly blames it for not being open sourced. He > uses also Python. So I asked him, if he EVER even looked into Python > sources. The answer was what I expected - even if some problem would > arise, he would NOT be able to fix it himself, having sources or not. > That is some false feeling of "security". >

> Hello Alessandro, > I would like to have few comments to your remarks: > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Alessandro Manotti napsal(a):

> Hello Petr, > first of all: thank you for your exhaustive answer. Just a question (since > I'm not involved in R3 testing or development, and I cannot follow AltMe > discussions, so...) are you a developer, or a Rebol Technologies > responsible? I ask this because it seems you talk like a Rebol Tech company > member (this is not an abuse, but just an information that I wished to get). >

> But - some ppl preach to open-source as a holy grail. I have one friend, >> who uses REBOL but constantly blames it for not being open sourced. He > some people go in the "wrong way" (from my point of view) I know that I will > not remain completely tied!

> I think Rebol company sometimes forgets that, even if they created a great > product, thay have to "fight" in the market, against Java, python, perl, > ruby, php, etc... Some of them are free, other ones are even open source. >

> Rebol could be a killer application if new VID (in R3) will be really > powerful. >

> Java on server-side is great (my opinion), even to create BIG applications. > Instead Java and JavaFx have serious problems in client-side (due to the big > R2 because I don't know anything about R3 VID, etc....). I think other > people are in the same situation.

> More: since Rebol is not a free product, some people could think: why I need > to spend time to create apps and resources for free if rebol self is not > free? Why should I have to help Rebol? Just to let them gain more money?! > Believe me, some people think that. >

> I think Rebol must be closed in order to avoid forks, but you need to find a > good license to involve the people to try and use it. (example: free for > non-commercial use, like many other products do!). >

> Alessandro - just sit, blog, and watch the show :-) > > I watching the show.... but I still see a lot of fog! And I cannot see > clearly a lot of things! So, please, try to help me (and other people like > me) to eliminate the fog and better see the show!!! :-) :-) :-) >

>> REBOL is free, it is not open sourced. That ppl need to check their

>> We should name problems with the right names. I think the

If I use e.g. a C-compiler or a IDE, that is not open source, I know at least, that there are alternatives, if it does match my expectations. Ed O'Connor wrote:

Hello Petr, maybe your friend did not encounter a bug that stopped him. I used open source tools too -not always free, but I enhanced or at least adapted them to my needs, if I could not go further without . Petr Krenzelok wrote:

sqlab napsal(a):

> If I use e.g. a C-compiler or a IDE, that is not open source, I know at > least, that there are alternatives, if it does match my expectations. >

Petr Krenzelok wrote:

> sqlab napsal(a): >> If I use e.g. a C-compiler or a IDE, that is not open source, I know at >> > And I think you are not even thinking about it.

> What you want is to Code > in C, and you try to find tool which fits you.

> Can't believe you aproach > it from that perspective, a priori expecting some tool will fail to meet > your expectations in the long term. New ppl would not be buying Amigas. >

> They were buying it because of its advantages. And Amiga as a company > (Commodore) was doing some bad marketing decision. The problem why ppl > feel about the way they will is imo otherwise: > > - ppl don't feel safe. > - such feeling comes from the REBOL non- marketing. Mostly static, > poorly updated webpage, no mention in magazines, blogs, newsites >

> - no existing wrappers to many known databases and libraries >

> - REBOL asks for money, where others are free of charge >

> - although passionate, - small community >

> Those are some of the problems I think we are facing. And most could be > adressed with R3 architecture. It will be a tough call though. Now > answer to yourself. If REBOL would be open-sourced, what way would it > influence your decision to user or not to use REBOL in? And if open > source is total solution for you, why don't you take Orca, open source > Core clone? >

> I don't want this discussion to get into arguing over open source or not > nature :-) I think that there is some plan on how to improve situation, > and I would like we concentrate on it. Naming past mistakes is OK with > me, if we can learn from them. And I believe RT is on right track this > time. It is just that recover REBOL's public image will not be easy task ... > > Petr >

> I am not sure. There were many promises from RT in the past already. And > you know what happened... again and again.. > If they do not keep them now, Rebol will be just an inhouse project/tool > for maybe QTask. >

It seems you got from Saulus to Paulus again. Petr Krenzelok wrote:

>> I am not sure. There were many promises from RT in the past already. And >> you know what happened... again and again.. > REBOL. What makes you think, that RT is doing all that design work to be > used for Qtask only?

> Well, in the past, we had no blogs. Nowadays, Carl > blogging or not, ppl are still disappointed. I would like to identify > So, instead of stating "again and again", could you suggest us, what > could be done to improve situation?

Hello, I have to two points to be highlighted. [1] Amiga... well I love that computer! And I hate Commodore which was the main actor for Amiga failure in the market. I think, generally speaking, it a good concept to compare Rebol to other technologies, which failed in the time. Think to BeOS (great OS, I bought original version and upgrade, I studied it, and now... Palm and Be Inc. destroyed my job.. I have nothing in my hands :-( ) , OS/2 (same...), Commodore Amiga (sigh...), etc... I hope RT will not append Rebol to this list... [2] Interesting. I would nearly consider such opinion as total ignorance of

> facts. Yes, RT might be slow at development, but look at Python ... what > was new in 2.5 version? What is going to be in 3.0 version? >

> > I am not sure. There were many promises from RT in the past already. And > > you know what happened... again and again.. > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

sqlab napsal(a):

> It seems you got from Saulus to Paulus again. >

> To release as soon and as often as possibly not only (tid??) bits from > the kitchen, but the recipe. > I remember reams of speculation about the inner working of R2 in the > early times, as there was no white paper and only one closed > implementation. Where are these user now? >

> I do not know if the development of R# or Orca got discouraged by RT, > but maybe competitive implementations according the same spec would > have helped Rebol more. >

> Hello Petr, basically, you agree. So now, let's try to analyze why Python is > used by Google, and why Guido Van Rossum (Python creator) now works in > in almost 5 months... It seems almost no italian people takes care about > Rebol, but everybody know Ruby, Python, PHP, etc...

Petr Krenzelok wrote:

> sqlab napsal(a): > >> It seems you got from Saulus to Paulus again. >> >> > > Don't understand, but never mind, I should improve my english :-) >

>> To release as soon and as often as possibly not only (tid??) bits from >> the kitchen, but the recipe. > changing. However - it will not be easy path to follow. > Petr

On Monday, 19-Novenber-2007 at 12:07:52 Petr Krenzelok wrote,

>But I will not help situation if I just complain, without proposing what >should be done. So - suggest - what should be done? :-)

All in all very good. Carl Read wrote:

> On Monday, 19-Novenber-2007 at 12:07:52 Petr Krenzelok wrote, > >> But I will not help situation if I just complain, without proposing what >> should be done. So - suggest - what should be done? :-) >> > > 1) If RT's a business then it needs to act like one. Which, for starters, means answering every email they receive, ideally within 24 hours. >

> 1a) If RT doesn't like the hassle of email, they should have an interface on their website that replaces email for this job. > > 2) They need to spell out on their website every little detail about the products they have for sale - not only what they do, but also what they don't do. (So RT doesn't get bothered with too many emails asking silly questions about them.) > > 3) IF RT promises to add feature X then they should deliver on that promise - not quitely forget about it and promise feature Y a little while later. >

To put my two cents in. I believe at this time it is not right to compare REBOL to other languages. REBOL's time has not yet arrived, whereas the other languages are trapped in theirs. What I mean is that I believe a major change in digital technology is already under way. REBOL is set to catch this new wave as it develops. As it stands other languages have the advantage. We are in transition, from enclosed, compiled, over-designed, functionally overfull off-the-shelf bloatware, to more customisable script "included apps... OpenOffice, Inkscape, Gimp, etc.,. Interpreted scripts are used as extensions, sometimes for batch and gui control, but the design is basically traditional and really changing things is well beyond the novice to learn. They are pointed in the right direction, but are cumbersome. An improvement, but not a revolution in design. Python especially, fits in well, as an in-between language. Its varied syntax, various extensions, specialist refinements fits in with bloaty compiled code, but hardly makes it useful to experienced users who are not programmers. LUA is an excellent language to embed in traditional apps giving them an elegant data handling language that is a massive improvement on Python, in terms of consistency and simplicity. The fact that this language, rather than Python, surfaces more in Games, says a lot about its robust easy to learn nature. Then there is REBOL, far removed from the function based languages as it is possible to get, it makes LUA look syntax bound (which is saying something). REBOL takes a bit to get use to there is no doubt about that, it appears far more confusing than it is, and it has dialects. Wonderful things dialects - beautiful. I am standing on the sidelines for R3. I believe there are a number of us. VID needed fixing up, and the fixes in R3 seem to be exactly what is needed - consistency is far more important than endless refinements, after all the Flash dialect seems suited to special needs. PDF dialect is a dream come true - and so it goes on. The potential is enormous, for a reason that sounds ironic. Consistency in inconsistency. That is dialects which can be wildly diverse can be understood through a single language, under the hood there is consistency lurking. Given the development of dialects, the future user has many entry points for controlling their application environment without becoming a programmer, and once they begin to peek beneath the surface, they find a single flexible language. That is power that is not measured in processing cycles. Given REBOL as a Application Environment, rather than just a Script Environment, the time is not yet ripe for it, because we are still trapped within the off-the-self do everything in one package bloatware world. But it is coming to an end, and that is the point. Task based applications require a few things. One critically important area is consistency, and the other is diversity, the only language that offers this seamlessly is REBOL, none of the others and this should not be forgotten. If a user needs to evolve their system to automate some task, or bring together diverse elements to form a task orientated application, they need simple languages and a coherent GUI structure to do so. Without this they are at the mercy of programmers who with the best intentions in the world cannot see the problems of usage as well as an experienced user. To see this come together REBOL needs its own form of clean room - an OS of its own. Not expecting this to be widespread, but rather a naked environment in which to build itself up, work out the best forms of compiled generalised plugins, that are slim, versatile and useful. To get basic apps running well, and extend the notion of reuse, recombination and evolution as user tools. Wildman is a clean room, that establishes consistency across other hosting OSes in an unambiguous way. Wildman is not an added extra, but an essential element needed to develop a true Application Environment by which REBOL can thrive. If Wildman can become a commercial replacement for other OSes, then that is a bonus, but bloated OSes are a curse that needs to be dealt with eventually. A mini-OS with REBOL is a whole different thing. Such a mini-OS requires a fixed HW architecture and decent computer to run - may I repeat PS3. At its present price it is competitive and will be around for years to come. As a development machine for REBOL applications, and as a potential sales in the PS3 market, a Wildman approach (given some fundamental app developments), stands up well against a thumper like Linux. I was hoping that Amiga OS4 and the promised OS5 might go in a similar direction, and provide a solid base for a REBOL like development, alas news from that quarter has not been good of late. I doubt that REBOL will become a popular replacement for existing languages, for I am a little more ambitious for this approach. REBOL should aim to be a replacement for the whole tradition of off-the-shelf bloatware; apps that communicate with each other, consistently, can be pulled apart and resembled, can be edited down for special purposes and remain light-weight, can be combined together as Mega-Applications that remain understandable, support dialects which ordinary users can read and edit as needed - that is a future worth aiming for. So what I am saying, is while publicity would not hurt, I do not see any immediate change in fortunes, this is a period of consolidation, of foundation laying and sorting out the basics well. R3 seems suited to such ambitions and if it takes another year to get it right, that has to be done. I am no programmer, but a number applications, which previously I could see no possibility of doing myself, look doable. That is significant, especially as they are ambitious projects. And one of them, a Verbose PDF/TEI Stylesheet Language has been completely inspired by REBOL, PDF maker dialect, XML handling and my very small adventures playing with the language (until finding REBOL this particular solution had never crossed my mind, considering the recent developments in ebooks something that has ramifications - that says a lot about the language). Don't despair is my message, its is always darkest before the dawn. REBOL is doing far too much right to be passed over, its just not quite the right time for it to flower, and a few more things need to be done. Greg Schofield Perth Australia --- Message Received --- From: Alessandro Manotti <ale870-gmail.com> To: rebolist-rebol.com Reply-To: rebolist-rebol.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:23:13 +0100 Subject: [REBOL] Re: Opening a new blog about Rebol? Hello, I have to two points to be highlighted. [1] Amiga... well I love that computer! And I hate Commodore which was the main actor for Amiga failure in the market. I think, generally speaking, it a good concept to compare Rebol to other technologies, which failed in the time. Think to BeOS (great OS, I bought original version and upgrade, I studied it, and now... Palm and Be Inc. destroyed my job.. I have nothing in my hands :-( ) , OS/2 (same...), Commodore Amiga (sigh...), etc... I hope RT will not append Rebol to this list... [2] Interesting. I would nearly consider such opinion as total ignorance of

> facts. Yes, RT might be slow at development, but look at Python ... what > was new in 2.5 version? What is going to be in 3.0 version? >

> > I am not sure. There were many promises from RT in the past already. And > > you know what happened... again and again.. > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Hello Petr, Alessandro. That is strange logic. OK, let's analyze, why Linux is still

> used on less than what - 6% of desktops, even if hundreds of developers > work on it and it is fully open sourced? >

> those and complaining takes us anywhere. I am not blind. I am here for > 10 years and I am known as very vocal and critical member of community. > But I will not help situation if I just complain, without proposing what > should be done. So - suggest - what should be done? :-) >

> should also know, there is a group of ppl, who are interested to help RT > with marketing strategy, first goal is to redefine websites .... >

> On Monday, 19-Novenber-2007 at 12:07:52 Petr Krenzelok wrote, > >But I will not help situation if I just complain, without proposing what > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

I think the reason that more people haven't used Rebol is because of the features/options in it. Granted, some people have the mindset about opensource but those are not the majority. For example, I'm writing a perl script to automate something. Why am I using Perl and not Rebol? Because I need to launch commands to an app and get the data back. I currently cant do that in Rebol. I did write a Perl script that launched Rebol when I needed to post to a web page. If I'm looking for a app to write a script, and there are 3 that have the features I need, I'll choose the easiest one to use. Rebol is easier but it currently doesn't have the features. Once it has the features, it will become popular if the rebol.dll is open or not. With its small footprint, Rebol fits nicely on the Palm Pilots, IPhones, etc. If we could write apps for those that would connect to servers/dbases/applications.................. John

On Monday, 19-Novenber-2007 at 13:39:16 sqlab wrote,

>>> But I will not help situation if I just complain, without proposing what >>> should be done. So - suggest - what should be done? :-) >> >When Bo was there, we got an immediate reply

>> 3) IF RT promises to add feature X then they should deliver on that promise >- not quitely forget about it and promise feature Y a little while later. >But I learned, that either their business plan did not work as expected >or was altered, probably both.

> I think the reason that more people haven't used Rebol is > because of the features/options in it. Granted, some people > have the mindset about "opensource" but those are not the majority.

> For example, I'm writing a perl script to automate > something. Why am I using Perl and not Rebol? Because I need > features. Once it has the features, it will become popular if > the rebol.dll is open or not.

> With its small footprint, Rebol fits nicely on the Palm > Pilots, IPhones, etc. If we could write apps for those that > would connect to servers/dbases/applications..................

On Monday 19 November 2007, Giuseppe Chillemi wrote:

> > I think the reason that more people haven't used Rebol is > > because of the features/options in it. Granted, some people > would be scarce. Resources for the whole project are but for rebol.dll are > not (I hope).

> > With its small footprint, Rebol fits nicely on the Palm > > Pilots, IPhones, etc. If we could write apps for those that > > would connect to servers/dbases/applications.................. > > It is the solution to this lack of interest.

John Whilst Rebol is stored in a small file once loaded it uses a lot of memory. Far too much to work under Palm OS which is why there has never been a Palm version of Rebol. Regards Peter On 19/11/2007, John Blake <jblake-arsenaldigital.com> wrote:

Peter Wood napsal(a):

> John > > Whilst Rebol is stored in a small file once loaded it uses a lot of memory. > Far too much to work under Palm OS which is why there has never been a Palm > version of Rebol. >

I red that rebol.dll is crossplatform.... maybe they do not talk about Windows DLL, but simply DLL as Dynamic Library... maybe! On Nov 20, 2007 1:56 AM, Tim Johnson <tim-johnsons-web.com> wrote:

> On Monday 19 November 2007, Giuseppe Chillemi wrote: > > > I think the reason that more people haven't used Rebol is > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Just for curiosity, which platforms will be supported from R3? Initial stage? and then which ones are planned? On Nov 20, 2007 7:43 AM, Petr Krenzelok <petr.krenzelok-seznam.cz> wrote:

> Peter Wood napsal(a): > > John > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.

Alessandro Manotti napsal(a):

> Just for curiosity, which platforms will be supported from R3? Initial > stage? and then which ones are planned? >

On 20/11/2007, at 9.25, Petr Krenzelok wrote:

> Alessandro Manotti napsal(a): >> Just for curiosity, which platforms will be supported from R3? > the code is open-source. That should make those radical open-source > proponents more happy :-)